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  • QB Matthew Stafford: 93.5
  • WR Puka Nacua: 92.3
  • LT Alaric Jackson: 89.5
  • RT Rob Havenstein: 85.6
  • WR Cooper Kupp: 80.8
  • WR Tutu Atwell: 72.9
  • RB Kyren Williams: 61.7
  • RB Blake Corum: 58.6
  • TE Davis Allen: 57.3
  • WR Jordan Whittington: 57.3
  • TE Hunter Long: 55.7
  • WR Tyler Johnson: 55.7

  • DT Kobie Turner: 81.1
  • S Kamren Kinchens: 73.2
  • S Jaylen McCollough: 69.7
  • DT Tyler Davis: 69.1
  • CB Cobie Durant: 64.7
  • OLB Jared Verse: 63.7
  • OLB Byron Young: 58.7
  • DT Braden Fiske: 47.8
  • DT Desjuan Johnson: 46.8
  • CB Darious Williams: 42.3
  • S Quentin Lake: 39.2
  • LB Omar Speights: 26.9
 
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Watching the replay on NFL Network and Havenstein got away with a 2nd false start on that crazy tie tap Nacua catch on their drive right before the half that put them up 24-14. Von Miller tried to alert the refs, but they missed it.
 
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PhillyRam said:
Watching the replay on NFL Network and Havenstein got away with a 2nd false start on that crazy tie tap Nacua catch on their drive right before the half that put them up 24-14. Von Miller tried to alert the refs, but they missed it.
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Absolutely.

Plus, on a third-down-conversion to Nacua in the Rams' TD drive that ended with the Kupp touchdown, Havenstein was not called for a holding penalty when his arm was under Miller's neck.

The Rams got some very favorable calls too.
 
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Allen2McVay said:
Absolutely.

Plus, on a third-down-conversion to Nacua in the Rams' TD drive that ended with the Kupp touchdown, Havenstein was not called for a holding penalty when his arm was under Miller's neck.

The Rams got some very favorable calls too.
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Every tackle does that.

Robert Quinn was held like that every down of his career just about. Let's not talk about AD.

In mnf parsons was held like that every down. Nothing.

The refs only call it when it suits what they're trying to do.

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PhillyRam said:
True, but Rosenboom looked bad in this one. I mean everyone missed tackles, but he looked like a guy about to get cut in the last preseason game.
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Being an ILB vs a QB of Allen's caliber is a nightmare. It's like our run defense vs Barkley. Most teams don't have MVP candidates in those positions.

So even though I was irritated in both cases I overlook those games to some extent. We don't have the type of defense to corral dudes like them, especially when they're behind top OLs.
 
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kurtfaulk said:
Every tackle does that.
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Agree that it happens.

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Robert Quinn was held like that every down of his career just about. Let's not talk about AD.
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Not every down (that's ridiculous) but Quinn often got held like that because of how he rushed off the edge with great bend and leverage (similar to Miller on the specific play I referenced). Donald ... not nearly as much.

kurtfaulk said:
In mnf parsons was held like that every down. Nothing.
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Every down? ... Not a chance. That's just silly.

kurtfaulk said:
The refs only call it when it suits what they're trying to do.
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I simply don't share the paranoia about fixes and agendas. Just not rational in my opinion.


I am referring to one specific play where Havenstein did not hook and release which is often not called.
He hooked and held it. It was a clear penalty. Often called but not always.

I have re-watched the game three times; and, while I agree it does happen more than occasionally and is not always called, it Absolutely does NOT happen as often as you suggest. This one was blatant, not called and it benefited the Rams. Helped to balance-out some blown calls that hurt the Rams.
 
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Allen2McVay said:
Agree that it happens.


Not every down (that's ridiculous) but Quinn often got held like that because of how he rushed off the edge with great bend and leverage (similar to Miller on the specific play I referenced). Donald ... not nearly as much.


Every down? ... Not a chance. That's just silly.


I simply don't share the paranoia about fixes and agendas. Just not rational in my opinion.


I am referring to one specific play where Havenstein did not hook and release which is often not called.
He hooked and held it. It was a clear penalty. Often called but not always.

I have re-watched the game three times; and, while I agree it does happen more than occasionally and is not always called, it Absolutely does NOT happen as often as you suggest. This one was blatant, not called and it benefited the Rams. Helped to balance-out some blown calls that hurt the Rams.
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i didn't realise you were going to take the whole post literally.

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1) did not hear Fiske’s name once the whole game. Maybe I missed it?
2) Atwell played a great game when you consider he’s a #4 WR.
3) excellent run defense inside (the Conductor, BB3, and Davis).
4) Rozeboom missed tackle after tackle. He’s been steadily improving, but this game was a setback.
5) the last two games have showed how valuable Havenstein still is to this team if you want to run the ball.

6) OL did a fantastic job protecting Stafford, especially on critical downs/moments.
 
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PhillyRam said:
Watching the replay on NFL Network and Havenstein got away with a 2nd false start on that crazy tie tap Nacua catch on their drive right before the half that put them up 24-14. Von Miller tried to alert the refs, but they missed it.
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Why do people always want to concentrate on one or two bad calls when they happen throughout the game on both sides?

Ponderous. Simply ponderous.
 
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methomas50 said:
  • QB Matthew Stafford: 93.5
  • WR Puka Nacua: 92.3
  • LT Alaric Jackson: 89.5
  • RT Rob Havenstein: 85.6
  • WR Cooper Kupp: 80.8
  • WR Tutu Atwell: 72.9
  • RB Kyren Williams: 61.7
  • RB Blake Corum: 58.6
  • TE Davis Allen: 57.3
  • WR Jordan Whittington: 57.3
  • TE Hunter Long: 55.7
  • WR Tyler Johnson: 55.7

  • DT Kobie Turner: 81.1
  • S Kamren Kinchens: 73.2
  • S Jaylen McCollough: 69.7
  • DT Tyler Davis: 69.1
  • CB Cobie Durant: 64.7
  • OLB Jared Verse: 63.7
  • OLB Byron Young: 58.7
  • DT Braden Fiske: 47.8
  • DT Desjuan Johnson: 46.8
  • CB Darious Williams: 42.3
  • S Quentin Lake: 39.2
  • LB Omar Speights: 26.9
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Ouch, Speights fell of a cliff. That's likely the Allen runs


But look at that! The one guy some here want to get rid of was the Rams highest graded O-line man again. The other guy some want gone is the second highest rated O-lineman
 
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