Brock Bowers

[dieterbrock]

I could just imagine the frustration when Bowers doesn’t get any snaps all year but for a few on special teams
McVay is pretty clueless these days about how to use TE

 

[Merlin]

I could just imagine the frustration when Bowers doesn’t get any snaps all year but for a few on special teams
McVay is pretty clueless these days about how to use TE

I imagine what he would do is move Kupp outside with Nacua and it would be Bowers in the slot. That would make us better but we'd still be an offense you can roll your coverages up on without too much risk.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Can you save me the trouble of listening to D'Marco Farr, and tell me what McVay said?

They were talking about the league being cyclical because scoring is down. McVay agreed, but mentioned how elite pass rushers can change a game. Demarco brought up the safety/corner types coming out of college. Then McVay said the same thing can happen in offense with a guy like Christian McCaffrey or Kyle Pitts coming out of Florida.

So does that mean McVay was interested in Pitts? I find it odd that he specifically mentioned Pitts. It’s not like he’s been an elite NFL talent. Maybe McVay thinks he could utilize him better than he has been.

There was speculation that he was trying to move up to take a skill position player last April. There was a range that Snead tried to trade to but couldn’t work a deal.


View: https://www.youtube.com/live/o294JzC3hN0?si=PGXBXtUQTTcIf6lq


It’s at the 17:50 mark

 

[Memphis Ram]

Generational TE? That’s what they said about Kyle Pitts, who went 4th overall. Yikes
And before anyone says it’s because he was drafted by Atlanta - Arthur Smith is considered a great offensive mind who green-lighted Pitts’ selection and has got next to nothing out of him in three years.

In his only two seasons as offensive coordinator, Arthur Smith parlayed an All-Pro RB Derrick Henry who averaged over 5 yards per carry, a stud WR A.J. Brown going off, and a QB switch from Marcus Mariota to Ryan Tannehill into a Head Coaching job.

Don't recall before, but I don't think anyone is calling him a great offensive mind now. Especially, after the team has spent top eight picks on London, Pitts, & Robinson the last 3 seasons to play with his hand-picked QBs.

They are really getting on him down here with his equally splitting RB carries with Robinson who averaging 4.9 ypc and Allgeier who averaging 3.2 ypc.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

How would you line them up if we take him. Let's say ideally, with everyone healthy. And then contrast that with a real outside hash speed threat at wideout.

I think it is arguable that our offense will be far better if we took a guy like Nabers. Because we have big bodied threats who excel over the middle in Kupp and now Nacua. Both are mini-TEs in their skillset and style of play. What we lack is being able to blow corners up outside the hash.

We have a QB who can use a top wideout. People are on his nuts and he deserves a lot of the criticism but he's shown when the quality is out there that he can feed them with OBJ's brief performance in this offense. So even though I do very much like Bowers I don't think he moves that speed bar in the pass game. We badly lack speed. It's a problem for us IMO.

Back in the summer, I mentioned that a real fast receiver that could be a true deep threat is just what this offense needed. It got a laugh or two.

I agree. They need a top notch receiver with a little size. Teams are not afraid of what the Rams put out there, especially with Kupp being out of sync all year. I’d love a bigger body guy who can really stretch a defense. Van Jefferson wasn’t it. Atwell can’t pull it off. The closest they had to filling that role was Brandin Cooks, but he wasn’t big.

 

[Merlin]

This is the dude.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsIz5Uj_ua8

 

[Memphis Ram]

IMO, Bowers would be an outstanding selection if featured and they moved on from Kupp.
Otherwise, he'd probably just be a very good selection.

To date of the players who could potentially be available in the 8 - 15 range, the only players I'd take ahead of him is Laiatu Latu, EDGE, UCLA (if cleared medically) and Jer'Zhan Newton, DT, Illinois.

 

[ArkyRamsFan]

I could just imagine the frustration when Bowers doesn’t get any snaps all year but for a few on special teams
McVay is pretty clueless these days about how to use TE

dieterbrock,
You posted pretty much what I was going to say. Ain't no way I'm taking a TE in the 1st unless McVay has resigned and moved up to the TV booth or something.

First round picks need to make an impact and with the current coaching staff that simply ain't happening. And it's time we all face it and move on.

Sean wants to win with his WIDE OUTS and nobody else. It is really that simple.
So, no, on Bowers at this point in time.

~ArkyRamsFan~

 

[BigRamFan]

I’ve been playing around with some Mock draft simulators and more often than not Bowers is the top name available when our current projected pick comes up. I’d love to see him in horns but could we afford to pull the trigger on a TE that early with all our other needs? It’s intriguing to say the least since this dude is a beast. What say ye?

That one, yes.

 

[Memphis Ram]

I could just imagine the frustration when Bowers doesn’t get any snaps all year but for a few on special teams
McVay is pretty clueless these days about how to use TE

From what I understood they tried to move up to get Dalton Kincaid this past draft so he must have a plan.

He just couldn't have had so much success with Jordan Reed and forgotten what to do.

 

[ArkyRamsFan]

How would you line them up if we take him. Let's say ideally, with everyone healthy. And then contrast that with a real outside hash speed threat at wideout.

I think it is arguable that our offense will be far better if we took a guy like Nabers. Because we have big bodied threats who excel over the middle in Kupp and now Nacua. Both are mini-TEs in their skillset and style of play. What we lack is being able to blow corners up outside the hash.

We have a QB who can use a top wideout. People are on his nuts and he deserves a lot of the criticism but he's shown when the quality is out there that he can feed them with OBJ's brief performance in this offense. So even though I do very much like Bowers I don't think he moves that speed bar in the pass game. We badly lack speed. It's a problem for us IMO.

Well then I have a question for you. If Staff can't figure out how to get the ball to Atwell and his 4.3 speed what is he going to do with this Nabers kid?

To me it looks like Staff has his favorites and throws it to them almost exclusively. Mebbe this explains his lousy completion percentage.....

~ArkyRamsFan~

 

[ArkyRamsFan]

From what I understood they tried to move up to get Dalton Kincaid this past draft so he must have a plan.

He just couldn't have had so much success with Jordan Reed and forgotten what to do.

I've thought about this and come to the conclusion that it was JAY GRUDEN who was behind the Jordan Reed phenomena. I'm gettin' the feeling that Gruden told McVay to run the offense through Reed or find another job. You get the picture....

Besides those Redskin teams were so devoid of talent for the most part who else were they going to go do? Reed was the main cog in the offense much like Cooper Kupp has been for us.

~ArkyRamsFan~

 

[Memphis Ram]

I've thought about this and come to the conclusion that it was JAY GRUDEN who was behind the Jordan Reed phenomena. I'm gettin' the feeling that Gruden told McVay to run the offense through Reed or find another job. You get the picture....

Besides those Redskin teams were so devoid of talent for the most part who else were they going to go do? Reed was the main cog in the offense much like Cooper Kupp has been for us.

~ArkyRamsFan~

I believe that McVay had the same plan here which is why they used a 2nd round choice on Gerald Everett before using that 3rd rounder on Kupp. Kupp was just too good in the slot so Everett and his injuries sat.

BTW, those Redskins teams had Pierre Garcon, Desean Jackson, Santana Moss, Jamison Crowder and the like. That's hardly devoid of talent. They even added Vernon Davis his final season there.

 

[kurtfaulk]

Generational TE? That’s what they said about Kyle Pitts, who went 4th overall. Yikes
And before anyone says it’s because he was drafted by Atlanta - Arthur Smith is considered a great offensive mind who green-lighted Pitts’ selection and has got next to nothing out of him in three years.

He's too busy being a decoy so jannu Smith can get open.

Like bijan Robinson is a decoy so alliger can make his 3ypc. And drake London is a decoy so some jag wr can get open.

That Arthur Smith is a genius.

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[Allen2McVay]

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So does that mean McVay was interested in Pitts? I find it odd that he specifically mentioned Pitts. It’s not like he’s been an elite NFL talent. Maybe McVay thinks he could utilize him better than he has been.

There was speculation that he was trying to move up to take a skill position player last April. There was a range that Snead tried to trade to but couldn’t work a deal.
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If you're talking about the Rams having an interest in moving-up for Pitts, he was drafted in 2021.

Thanks for the post/response.

 

[Merlin]

Well then I have a question for you. If Staff can't figure out how to get the ball to Atwell and his 4.3 speed what is he going to do with this Nabers kid?

To me it looks like Staff has his favorites and throws it to them almost exclusively. Mebbe this explains his lousy completion percentage.....

~ArkyRamsFan~

I think Stafford is great at placing the ball for receivers he trusts. And I think some receivers he doesn't trust, for good reason. Tutu is one of those.

Not saying it's all the receivers, btw. Stafford is streaky for sure. All QBs will prioritize who they trust when things are dicey but Stafford is just the best at finding ways to get them the ball. And I say best because the two greatest WR seasons have him in common.

When he had OBJ out there he had no issues looking his way. OBJ probably would have been MVP of that Super Bowl if he hadn't been hurt. He was unstoppable with 9 dealing him that ball.

Also and btw lest someone accuse me of being a homer here with our QB let me say again he has played like shite since that title. He needs to do better.

 

[Merlin]

Well then I have a question for you. If Staff can't figure out how to get the ball to Atwell and his 4.3 speed what is he going to do with this Nabers kid?

To me it looks like Staff has his favorites and throws it to them almost exclusively. Mebbe this explains his lousy completion percentage.....

~ArkyRamsFan~

Re: Nabers he's the best wideout I've seen in years. That crossover he does on his nine routes damn. Also he can sink his hips (sells the short route) then accelerate to eat up DBs like nobody else. Full package and then some. I think he is better than OBJ.

Of course if I'm right that means he's a poor example vs Bowers. Because he's a top 3 pick to my eye.

 

[Billy Baroo]

In his only two seasons as offensive coordinator, Arthur Smith parlayed an All-Pro RB Derrick Henry who averaged over 5 yards per carry, a stud WR A.J. Brown going off, and a QB switch from Marcus Mariota to Ryan Tannehill into a Head Coaching job.

Don't recall before, but I don't think anyone is calling him a great offensive mind now. Especially, after the team has spent top eight picks on London, Pitts, & Robinson the last 3 seasons to play with his hand-picked QBs.

They are really getting on him down here with his equally splitting RB carries with Robinson who averaging 4.9 ypc and Allgeier who averaging 3.2 ypc.

My post was really more about Pitts being the 4th overall pick and if it wasn’t Atlanta someone else would have taken him in top 6. That’s how (over)hyped he was.

 

[jrry32]

If McVay utilized his TE position more I would say yes, but there are bigger fish to fry in the first round. If the Rams can't get their guy assuming they'll be picking top ten or fifteen, I'd slide down the draft and get another pick. Lots of good players to be had in this draft. First need is Oline & Dline.

McVay would utilize the TE all the time if he had Bowers.

Three letters: BPA.

This roster lacks real difference makers, certainly among the youngsters, so grab the best player we can.

If Bowers is McSnead’s top rated player when we pick, take him.

Agreed. If he's the best player on the board, you take him.

 

[Memphis Ram]

My post was really more about Pitts being the 4th overall pick and if it wasn’t Atlanta someone else would have taken him in top 6. That’s how (over)hyped he was.

Overhyped or no, Pitts IS talented. He's been placed in a bad situation with Smith and his run heavy offense. No surprise as again, Smith got his bread buttered relying upon a strong running game with Derrick Henry.

It wouldn't surprise me if he had a turnaround with a new coaching staff like Goff did when McVay came aboard.