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jrry32 said:
Take a chill pill. They're rookies. Fisher always has favored veterans over rookies. And it takes a lot of WRs and TEs time to adjust to the pro game. You don't always get instant gratification. In fact, you rarely get instant gratification from mid-round picks.

I'm all for criticizing Fisher, but there are much better criticisms than prematurely judging a bunch of rookies.



Cooper is a very different type of a WR than Austin. And him being an undersized WR doesn't make it a dogshit pick. Give me 6 undersized WRs if they are good football players.

Antonio Brown was an undersized WR who didn't do much as a rookie. You'd be calling him a dogshit pick at this stage in his career too. How silly would that be?
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I'm not judging the Rookies...I believe on ANY OTHER TEAM IN NFL Higbee would be doing as well or better than 70℅ of TE in leauge, I think Cooper would also be succesful. I think, and again it's MHO , he runs better routes, has better hands, and is harder to bring down than Austin. Yes Austin is faster , but given same amount of opportunities I like Cooper. Forrest was playing more than any of them from what I can tell, his injury sucks. The WR we drafted late , Thomas , has shown ZERO and in the practices I saw and preseason waa not better than more than a couple if guys we cut. Hemingway at TE looked ok as well, not as bad as Thomas.

I just don't see why Fisher does not play these guys. Same for Mannion last season. 3rd round pick. The way they treated that kid, I was beginning g to think he must be just horrific , I mean if he showed any type of ability, when last season was officially lost, and you could see Keenum wasn't a long term solution , why in the hell don't you see what you have the last few games before you go trading away the farm to draft yet another qb. That , to me , is almost just deliberately irresponsible. If they would have cut him after the season, that would have made sense , as my thought would have been he just was not a player, and a bad draft pick. But by all rights he came into camp and was allowed to compete. He did better in preseason than Goff. I feel better about Goff after the Saints debacle believe it or not, but I do believe Mannion will start somewhere in the next 3 years, and he will Excell.

The Patriots, by all rights the best all around team top to bottom, beat coaches, and best managed play there Rookies . Just another case of Fisher being out of touch.



To be honest Bradley Marquez, who I'm not the biggest fan of, makes the team as a special teams player, but honestly I'd rather see him on the field than
 
Killgasm said:
Pharaoh Cooper(21) and Tyler Higbee(22) are too young as well
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Ezekiel Elliot, Laquon Treadwell, & Will Fuller all as young, all starting on better teams.

Patrick Peterson dominated at 21. Michael Brokers, Luke Koechly under 22 when they started. Age doesn't mean dick
 
DickersonGurley said:
I'm not judging the Rookies...I believe on ANY OTHER TEAM IN NFL Higbee would be doing as well or better than 70℅ of TE in leauge, I think Cooper would also be succesful. I think, and again it's MHO , he runs better routes, has better hands, and is harder to bring down than Austin. Yes Austin is faster , but given same amount of opportunities I like Cooper. Forrest was playing more than any of them from what I can tell, his injury sucks. The WR we drafted late , Thomas , has shown ZERO and in the practices I saw and preseason waa not better than more than a couple if guys we cut. Hemingway at TE looked ok as well, not as bad as Thomas.

I just don't see why Fisher does not play these guys. Same for Mannion last season. 3rd round pick. The way they treated that kid, I was beginning g to think he must be just horrific , I mean if he showed any type of ability, when last season was officially lost, and you could see Keenum wasn't a long term solution , why in the hell don't you see what you have the last few games before you go trading away the farm to draft yet another qb. That , to me , is almost just deliberately irresponsible. If they would have cut him after the season, that would have made sense , as my thought would have been he just was not a player, and a bad draft pick. But by all rights he came into camp and was allowed to compete. He did better in preseason than Goff. I feel better about Goff after the Saints debacle believe it or not, but I do believe Mannion will start somewhere in the next 3 years, and he will Excell.

The Patriots, by all rights the best all around team top to bottom, beat coaches, and best managed play there Rookies . Just another case of Fisher being out of touch.



To be honest Bradley Marquez, who I'm not the biggest fan of, makes the team as a special teams player, but honestly I'd rather see him on the field than
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Well your OP was fairly obvious but thanks for making it painfully obvious with this post. What? Not getting the response you were after?
 
DickersonGurley said:
I'm not judging the Rookies...I believe on ANY OTHER TEAM IN NFL Higbee would be doing as well or better than 70℅ of TE in leauge, I think Cooper would also be succesful. I think, and again it's MHO , he runs better routes, has better hands, and is harder to bring down than Austin. Yes Austin is faster , but given same amount of opportunities I like Cooper. Forrest was playing more than any of them from what I can tell, his injury sucks. The WR we drafted late , Thomas , has shown ZERO and in the practices I saw and preseason waa not better than more than a couple if guys we cut. Hemingway at TE looked ok as well, not as bad as Thomas.
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I disagree. Thomas has shown ability when he's on the field. He's currently getting snaps on offense. He's also been an ace special teamer for us.

I just don't see why Fisher does not play these guys. Same for Mannion last season. 3rd round pick. The way they treated that kid, I was beginning g to think he must be just horrific , I mean if he showed any type of ability, when last season was officially lost, and you could see Keenum wasn't a long term solution , why in the hell don't you see what you have the last few games before you go trading away the farm to draft yet another qb. That , to me , is almost just deliberately irresponsible. If they would have cut him after the season, that would have made sense , as my thought would have been he just was not a player, and a bad draft pick. But by all rights he came into camp and was allowed to compete. He did better in preseason than Goff. I feel better about Goff after the Saints debacle believe it or not, but I do believe Mannion will start somewhere in the next 3 years, and he will Excell.
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I don't disagree on it being silly not to play Mannion last year. They should have given him a shot. You're entitled to your opinion on him starting somewhere in 3 years. I don't see it. I wasn't a fan of the pick, and I just haven't seen anything thus far to change my mind. I didn't think his preseason performances were impressive.

I wish him the best. He's a Ram. I'll be rooting for him. But I don't foresee him being more than a backup guy.

The Patriots, by all rights the best all around team top to bottom, beat coaches, and best managed play there Rookies . Just another case of Fisher being out of touch.
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This is true.

DickersonGurley said:
Ezekiel Elliot, Laquon Treadwell, & Will Fuller all as young, all starting on better teams.

Patrick Peterson dominated at 21. Michael Brokers, Luke Koechly under 22 when they started. Age doesn't mean dick
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Treadwell isn't starting. He's actually performed quite poorly for Minnesota. He's their #4 or #5 WR right now. Struggling to learn the offense. Ran the wrong route today when they put him in the game in the red-zone on 3rd down.
 
jrry32 said:
I disagree. Thomas has shown ability when he's on the field. He's currently getting snaps on offense. He's also been an ace special teamer for us.



I don't disagree on it being silly not to play Mannion last year. They should have given him a shot. You're entitled to your opinion on him starting somewhere in 3 years. I don't see it. I wasn't a fan of the pick, and I just haven't seen anything thus far to change my mind. I didn't think his preseason performances were impressive.

I wish him the best. He's a Ram. I'll be rooting for him. But I don't foresee him being more than a backup guy.



This is true.



Treadwell isn't starting. He's actually performed quite poorly for Minnesota. He's their #4 or #5 WR right now. Struggling to learn the offense. Ran the wrong route today when they put him in the game in the red-zone on 3rd down.
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But he got a chance to suck!!! They know what they have to work on, what he does in games...theyhave a feel you can't get from practice. We really have no clue what we have
 
DickersonGurley said:
But he got a chance to suck!!! They know what they have to work on, what he does in games...theyhave a feel you can't get from practice. We really have no clue what we have
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Higbee, Thomas, and Cooper have gotten chances to suck too.
 
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