TNFB: Texans Patsies

[dieterbrock]

That old 13-3 bullcrap again

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Why aren't teams spending every spare moment studying Beli hicks offense and defense and using it themselves. His system is designed to beat the obstacles every team faces, OLine injuries, constant pass rush. Easy, have quick players with hands that get open in 3 seconds, hit the occasional long pass, cycle through RBs like they are insignificant. They can change QBs and Olinemen without a hiccup. They run a tight ship, with total buy in with team players only. Why would it be so hard to replicate?

 

[DaveFan'51]

Why aren't teams spending every spare moment studying Beli hicks offense and defense and using it themselves. His system is designed to beat the obstacles every team faces, OLine injuries, constant pass rush. Easy, have quick players with hands that get open in 3 seconds, hit the occasional long pass, cycle through RBs like they are insignificant. They can change QBs and Olinemen without a hiccup. They run a tight ship, with total buy in with team players only. Why would it be so hard to replicate?

Damn Good Question! Houston should be ashamed of themselves, being "Shut-Out" by a 3rd string QB! COME-ON-MAN!!

 

[thirteen28]

Why aren't teams spending every spare moment studying Beli hicks offense and defense and using it themselves. His system is designed to beat the obstacles every team faces, OLine injuries, constant pass rush. Easy, have quick players with hands that get open in 3 seconds, hit the occasional long pass, cycle through RBs like they are insignificant. They can change QBs and Olinemen without a hiccup. They run a tight ship, with total buy in with team players only. Why would it be so hard to replicate?

I think they use a variation of what is known as the Perkins-Erhardt offense, which is supposed to be pretty damn easy to learn. The evidence certainly supports that contention.

 

[Yamahopper]

They will not lose a game all year, unbelievable that this Coach can win under any circumstances and the Rams struggle to win even when there are premiere circumstances!

Isn't it something.
Look at the overall talent level that they put on the field last night. Better than the Rams? Nope. Not even better than the Jags.
They put each player in a position to succeed. They adjust the scheme to each players strength asking for no more than what the player can do well.
Players buy in to the team first dogma. They will cut anyone. even Brady if it helps the team.
Other teams have hired coaches away from them to build the same system and all have failed to achieve.
But their ego can be the downfall. They refuse to spend high resources on a top RB. Can you imagine this team over the last few seasons with a RB capable of 1500yds per year. Not having that has bit them in the playoffs. And at least I have that.

P.S. at least we haven't had to suffer any " We should have drafted Brissett" threads here.

 

[thirteen28]

Isn't it something.
Look at the overall talent level that they put on the field last night. Better than the Rams? Nope. Not even better than the Jags.
They put each player in a position to succeed. They adjust the scheme to each players strength asking for no more than what the player can do well.
Players buy in to the team first dogma. They will cut anyone. even Brady if it helps the team.
Other teams have hired coaches away from them to build the same system and all have failed to achieve.
But their ego can be the downfall. They refuse to spend high resources on a top RB. Can you imagine this team over the last few seasons with a RB capable of 1500yds per year. Not having that has bit them in the playoffs. And at least I have that.

P.S. at least we haven't had to suffer any " We should have drafted Brissett" threads here.

Don't give anyone any ideas ...

 

[shaunpinney]

It's not flashy really but it's efficient.

^^ this.

 

[Angry Ram]

Also Houston has to have massive buyers remorse for signing Brock.

No. Brock isn't the problem. Or a problem. It was ST miscues and not a good gameplan.

Agree, in less than a week, they turn their 3rd round draft QB into winning starting QB and he doesn't look out of place at all - and seemed to have a grasp of the offense too...

Reminds me of when Austin Davis was thrown into the mix.

 

[Athos]

I think they use a variation of what is known as the Perkins-Erhardt offense, which is supposed to be pretty damn easy to learn. The evidence certainly supports that contention.

Clearly. Gronk and an old Bennett are the only offensive skill players they have starting from like the first 6 rounds. And that's pretty much the average for their skill players over the years.

Meanwhile, Rams can't find anyone to reliably catch the football and make plays. Back we circle to the Rams have needlessly complex offensive systems, verbiage, etc.

 

[ScotsRam]

I was at the game and the Pats are legit. Seriously impressive and terrifying for everyone else when Brady comes back.

Spoke to a lot of Pats fans, they are surprisingly non-douchey. I even did a bit of yelling when Amendola did stuff and when Chris Long was in the game.

 

[den-the-coach]

I was at the game and the Pats are legit. Seriously impressive and terrifying for everyone else when Brady comes back.

Spoke to a lot of Pats fans, they are surprisingly non-douchey. I even did a bit of yelling when Amendola did stuff and when Chris Long was in the game.

Yep...One Nation Under Belichick.

 

[Merlin]

As a DC Belichick demonstrated an ability to confound almost any offense week to week. At the heart of the Patriots' success is THAT. His defense last night shut the Texans' offense down quite easily, I mean the first half was field position advantages that started with the defense and was magnified by the special teams.

On offense he does not change the playbook, but he does hire creative offensive minds that modify what they want out of it. Consistency comes through strong OC hires.

He has Fisher beat on two levels: he was a far better DC than Fish ever was and has given the Patriots that element for the entire duration of his tenure as HC, and he does a better job hiring staff. I know Stan is hoping he's got a version of Belichick in Fisher, but Fish is a different type of coach. Fish, IMO, is more hands off than Belichick with both offense and defense.

Oh and lastly I'm willing to bet that the Pats expect more out of their quality control coaches. Kirwan was discussing this the other day and mentioned how Belichick will trot out NEW offensive plays in the first quarter designed to make the opposing staff adjust their scheme, but then not use it again. The dude is on a playing field all his own as a head coach. I effin hate him and everything to do with the Patriots but he's the best ever, just no doubt about it.

 

[Athos]

The tough love approach also helps for the damn Patsies. They treat it like a real job.

You don't get fourth and fifth chances. Rarely a second. They'll cut your ass and find someone else to plug in. Been the case for years. So players buy in and play efficiently and well, or they don't and they're out of a job.

The product on the field is business and if it's garbage, no ones buying. So they don't put garbage on the field usually.

Meanwhile...

I do echo the ego downfall. If they had a legit RB....

Thank heavens they never have or I'd be puking left and right.

 

[Q729]

As a DC Belichick demonstrated an ability to confound almost any offense week to week. At the heart of the Patriots' success is THAT. His defense last night shut the Texans' offense down quite easily, I mean the first half was field position advantages that started with the defense and was magnified by the special teams.

On offense he does not change the playbook, but he does hire creative offensive minds that modify what they want out of it. Consistency comes through strong OC hires.

He has Fisher beat on two levels: he was a far better DC than Fish ever was and has given the Patriots that element for the entire duration of his tenure as HC, and he does a better job hiring staff. I know Stan is hoping he's got a version of Belichick in Fisher, but Fish is a different type of coach. Fish, IMO, is more hands off than Belichick with both offense and defense.

Oh and lastly I'm willing to bet that the Pats expect more out of their quality control coaches. Kirwan was discussing this the other day and mentioned how Belichick will trot out NEW offensive plays in the first quarter designed to make the opposing staff adjust their scheme, but then not use it again. The dude is on a playing field all his own as a head coach. I effin hate him and everything to do with the Patriots but he's the best ever, just no doubt about it.

Dammit. Stop pissing me off with the truth!

 

[ScotsRam]

The guy is a fucking turd but I think history will judge Bellichick as the greatest head coach ever.

 

[Jorgeh0605]

What I find crazy is how different the Patriots teams have been throughout the years. They really don't pigeon-hole themselves like most teams do. Their scheme fits two elite TEs. It can also adapt to having Randy Moss. But it doesn't need either of those and can work with Edelman, Deion Branch, Amendola, Aaron dobson, etc.

Yet teams like the Seahawks trade for Jimmy Graham and try to turn him into an inline blocker or draft Mark Barron and make him a Cover safety. Just maximize the skills that your players have instead of handicapping them in your "scheme".

 

[Athos]

Yet teams like the Seahawks trade for Jimmy Graham and try to turn him into an inline blocker or draft Mark Barron and make him a Cover safety. Just maximize the skills that your players have instead of handicapping them in your "scheme".

And thus the crux. I don't think Fisher led teams do that. They force guys into roles or schemes not suited for what they're talented at, instead of molding what they are good at and adapting scheme around those strengths.

 

[Angry Ram]

And thus the crux. I don't think Fisher led teams do that. They force guys into roles or schemes not suited for what they're talented at, instead of molding what they are good at and adapting scheme around those strengths.

Wait, but isn't that why Jeff Fisher has an aggressive defense, b/c of a talented front 4? Surely he made that unit based on the DL?

Isn't that why they routinely try to get Tavon into space and utilize him as a PR too? Or feeding Todd Gurely?

The Rams' issue has always been instability at QB. And when it was during Sam Bradford, you could tell how they used him too.