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35 is pretty accurate now and it might be high by Thursday.
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I Think that's fair, but I also think a lot of that has to do with question marks outside of what he's accomplished on the football field. I think that's why his range is so wide rankings (15th overall on pff). What people think he will be and what he is now are far different.35 is pretty accurate now and it might be high by Thursday.
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I don't recall him "quitting" but maybe you're right. I know he had a disagreement with Mayfield and team officials and was eventually released, but from what I understand, he played hard when on the field.
I'll just say that we've seen McSnead pick up players that had issues on other teams and even off the field problems but we've never seen them pick up a player that had effort issues on the field.
That one particular characteristic of Burden is what I feel disqualifies him.
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That's fair. And teams have to be more thorough than I do. You're right that they're more likely to take a player with less question marks (although I selfishly hope he's the target).
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That's every prospect every year not exclusive to Burden. One thing that is true with Burden is as the process has gone on he's dropped in ranking as others have risen over him.
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That's fair. Really comes down to what teams boards are and what Rams boards are. I expect we'll see some names we didn't anticipate in the 1st and some names from the 1st go way later. Probably some less known names going in the 2nd.
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From Bob McGinn annual talks with scouts:
3. LUTHER BURDEN, Missouri (6-0, 206, 4.45, 1-2): Nation’s No. 1 wideout in 2022. Hails from St. Louis. “You wish you had bigger and faster for outside but he’s a good enough player to do it,” one scout said. “He’s probably most effective in the slot. There’s some really strong comparisons to Deebo Samuel. He’s got great hands. Really natural after the catch. Has vision, elusiveness, strength, toughness. One of the worst practice players you’ve ever seen but his talent on the field makes you take notice. There’s times when his routes are lacking but it’s more like effort and discipline (than) talent. To his credit, he’s been super productive. Even with quarterback troubles he was pretty productive. He’s a really good slot receiver that can give you some outside but then, with the character, I don’t know how you can draft him in the first round.” Finished with 192 receptions for 2,263 (11.8) and 21 TDs. Ala Samuel, he rushed 34 times for 234 (6.9) and four TDs. “He’s a 5-star, they kiss his *** for three years just to keep him there,” another scout said. “The girlfriend is his manager. The mom is a problem. But he’s a good player on Saturday and he’s very ordinary Monday through Friday. That’s an area he’s really going to have to improve. I thought his tape from 2023 was better than 2024 but I also thought the quarterback play was a little better a year ago. If you take him you’re gritting your teeth that you’re going to have a (Sunday) player who isn’t going to add much to your team the other five, six days of the week. He’s a shaky first-rounder and a little more of a second-rounder because you can’t get anybody to really sign off on a clean bill of health as far as the personality and the intangibles.” Also returned punts all three seasons, averaging 10.5 on 24 attempts. “Similar to Golden but with a thicker build,” a third scout said. “They put him in the slot and they try to throw it to him on these quick little bubble screens and he gets tackled. Against zone, he’s got good feel and good hands. I just don’t see him being a starter.” His father, Luther “Ticky” Burden, averaged 28.7 points for the University of Utah in 1974-’75 before playing three pro seasons in the NBA and ABA. Hands measured just 8 ½ inches
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The rest of Bob's analysis of some of this class:
Quotes on the overall class: “There’s maybe three or four top guys,” an AFC executive said. “There’s a lot of Day 3 meat. It’s not very top-heavy.”
“This receiver group is terrible,” an NFC personnel man said. “Absolutely terrible. There’s nothing here. Guys are going to move up a round or two just because it’s a terrible year. A third-rounder is going to be taken in the first and a fourth-rounder in the second. That’s how weak this group is. And it’s been great the last X amount of years.”
#1 Tet McMillan: “He’s big and strong, and he’s fast enough,” a third scout said. “He’s going to be one of those guys that will line up in a West Coast-type offense and beat you down on his routes and throw you off and make plays. That’s what he does. He’ll work the middle of the field between the numbers and just give you a headache all day long. He’s a No. 1 (receiver). He’s a hard worker. Sky’s the limit.”
“The 2023 film is a lot better than this year,” a fifth scout said. “He was in protection mode this year. There’s stuff on film this year that’s just gross. The lack of competitiveness is just disturbing at times. Very undisciplined route runner. Big-play potential but too many times it didn’t happen. Not overly physical for a big guy but he’s got natural ball skills. His feet are awesome for a 6-4 dude. He’s a real smooth operator. He’s slippery in run-after-the-catch and he’s got pretty good speed. It’s just, which guy are you going to get? He’s a really immature kid. He’s a poster child for this NIL shit. They kiss his ass to get him to stay and then they do what they want.”
#2 Matthew Golden: “He is a great kid, and he could rise because of who he is,” said a third scout. “There’s not a whole lot of negatives on him other than (size). He’s fast enough to play outside. He doesn’t have runaway, home-run speed as a returner but it’s good enough.” Third-year junior from Houston. “Crafty little guy,” a fourth scout said. “Doesn’t have great hands. Not much magic after the catch. You have to get it to him quick. Just a guy, really. I don’t see him being a starter.”
#3 Luther Burden: “You wish you had bigger and faster for outside but he’s a good enough player to do it,” one scout said. “He’s probably most effective in the slot. There’s some really strong comparisons to Deebo Samuel. He’s got great hands. Really natural after the catch. Has vision, elusiveness, strength, toughness. One of the worst practice players you’ve ever seen but his talent on the field makes you take notice. There’s times when his routes are lacking but it’s more like effort and discipline (than) talent."
“He’s a 5-star, they kiss his ass for three years just to keep him there,” another scout said. “The girlfriend is his manager. The mom is a problem. But he’s a good player on Saturday and he’s very ordinary Monday through Friday. That’s an area he’s really going to have to improve. I thought his tape from 2023 was better than 2024 but I also thought the quarterback play was a little better a year ago. If you take him you’re gritting your teeth that you’re going to have a (Sunday) player who isn’t going to add much to your team the other five, six days of the week. He’s a shaky first-rounder and a little more of a second-rounder because you can’t get anybody to really sign off on a clean bill of health as far as the personality and the intangibles.”
#4 Emeka Egbuka: “He’s got really good hands and great instincts. He’s got good vision and he’s physical with the ball in his hand. He’s tough. He’s just not a speed demon like the guys we’ve known down through the years. Second round makes total sense. Good football player. You can put him at X or the slot. You want him as a matchup problem because he’s got size and he’s physical.”
“He’s a solid second-rounder,” a second scout said. “There’s no flash to him or anything like that. He’s a second or third receiver. I don’t think he’s a go-to guy. He doesn’t make anything wow.” Five-star recruit from Steilacoom, Wash. “He’s like Jaxon Smith-Njigba but not as good,” a third scout said. “He’s a slot guy. Not very explosive. Good hands, not much run after the catch. He’s OK. He’s a third guy.”
#5 Isaiah Bond: “Prototypical what you would think of in a wide receiver: just generic boilerplate, selfish, diva wide receiver,” said one scout. “But, God, he’s got an incredible skill set. He’s really fast and he’s athletic. He can win with speed, with quickness. His run after (the catch) is amazing. Great ball skills. You wish a guy with his skill set had a better overall body of work in terms of production. He’s first-round talent but combine character and production and whether he goes there I don’t know.”
“Doesn’t separate well, average hands. He’s not very good. Not productive at all.” Led his high-school team in Buford, Ga., to three state titles. Also won state championships in the 100 meters (10.48 personal best) and 200 meters (21.05). “He’s not very big but has big-time speed and athletic ability and good hands,” said a third scout. “He’s tough despite his size.”
My View: I've had this thought rattling in the back of my head for awhile that the reason Tutu got paid and other WR's were getting paid wasn't just cause it was a bad FA WR class this year but that teams already knew that it was slim pickings in the draft by December. It's also why so many pundits are lumping pass catchers together and have some of the TE's interspersed in there like how Loveland and Warren slot in around 2-4 in the above mentioned guys.
Quotes on the overall class: “There’s maybe three or four top guys,” an AFC executive said. “There’s a lot of Day 3 meat. It’s not very top-heavy.”
“This receiver group is terrible,” an NFC personnel man said. “Absolutely terrible. There’s nothing here. Guys are going to move up a round or two just because it’s a terrible year. A third-rounder is going to be taken in the first and a fourth-rounder in the second. That’s how weak this group is. And it’s been great the last X amount of years.”
#1 Tet McMillan: “He’s big and strong, and he’s fast enough,” a third scout said. “He’s going to be one of those guys that will line up in a West Coast-type offense and beat you down on his routes and throw you off and make plays. That’s what he does. He’ll work the middle of the field between the numbers and just give you a headache all day long. He’s a No. 1 (receiver). He’s a hard worker. Sky’s the limit.”
“The 2023 film is a lot better than this year,” a fifth scout said. “He was in protection mode this year. There’s stuff on film this year that’s just gross. The lack of competitiveness is just disturbing at times. Very undisciplined route runner. Big-play potential but too many times it didn’t happen. Not overly physical for a big guy but he’s got natural ball skills. His feet are awesome for a 6-4 dude. He’s a real smooth operator. He’s slippery in run-after-the-catch and he’s got pretty good speed. It’s just, which guy are you going to get? He’s a really immature kid. He’s a poster child for this NIL shit. They kiss his ass to get him to stay and then they do what they want.”
#2 Matthew Golden: “He is a great kid, and he could rise because of who he is,” said a third scout. “There’s not a whole lot of negatives on him other than (size). He’s fast enough to play outside. He doesn’t have runaway, home-run speed as a returner but it’s good enough.” Third-year junior from Houston. “Crafty little guy,” a fourth scout said. “Doesn’t have great hands. Not much magic after the catch. You have to get it to him quick. Just a guy, really. I don’t see him being a starter.”
#3 Luther Burden: “You wish you had bigger and faster for outside but he’s a good enough player to do it,” one scout said. “He’s probably most effective in the slot. There’s some really strong comparisons to Deebo Samuel. He’s got great hands. Really natural after the catch. Has vision, elusiveness, strength, toughness. One of the worst practice players you’ve ever seen but his talent on the field makes you take notice. There’s times when his routes are lacking but it’s more like effort and discipline (than) talent."
“He’s a 5-star, they kiss his ass for three years just to keep him there,” another scout said. “The girlfriend is his manager. The mom is a problem. But he’s a good player on Saturday and he’s very ordinary Monday through Friday. That’s an area he’s really going to have to improve. I thought his tape from 2023 was better than 2024 but I also thought the quarterback play was a little better a year ago. If you take him you’re gritting your teeth that you’re going to have a (Sunday) player who isn’t going to add much to your team the other five, six days of the week. He’s a shaky first-rounder and a little more of a second-rounder because you can’t get anybody to really sign off on a clean bill of health as far as the personality and the intangibles.”
#4 Emeka Egbuka: “He’s got really good hands and great instincts. He’s got good vision and he’s physical with the ball in his hand. He’s tough. He’s just not a speed demon like the guys we’ve known down through the years. Second round makes total sense. Good football player. You can put him at X or the slot. You want him as a matchup problem because he’s got size and he’s physical.”
“He’s a solid second-rounder,” a second scout said. “There’s no flash to him or anything like that. He’s a second or third receiver. I don’t think he’s a go-to guy. He doesn’t make anything wow.” Five-star recruit from Steilacoom, Wash. “He’s like Jaxon Smith-Njigba but not as good,” a third scout said. “He’s a slot guy. Not very explosive. Good hands, not much run after the catch. He’s OK. He’s a third guy.”
#5 Isaiah Bond: “Prototypical what you would think of in a wide receiver: just generic boilerplate, selfish, diva wide receiver,” said one scout. “But, God, he’s got an incredible skill set. He’s really fast and he’s athletic. He can win with speed, with quickness. His run after (the catch) is amazing. Great ball skills. You wish a guy with his skill set had a better overall body of work in terms of production. He’s first-round talent but combine character and production and whether he goes there I don’t know.”
“Doesn’t separate well, average hands. He’s not very good. Not productive at all.” Led his high-school team in Buford, Ga., to three state titles. Also won state championships in the 100 meters (10.48 personal best) and 200 meters (21.05). “He’s not very big but has big-time speed and athletic ability and good hands,” said a third scout. “He’s tough despite his size.”
My View: I've had this thought rattling in the back of my head for awhile that the reason Tutu got paid and other WR's were getting paid wasn't just cause it was a bad FA WR class this year but that teams already knew that it was slim pickings in the draft by December. It's also why so many pundits are lumping pass catchers together and have some of the TE's interspersed in there like how Loveland and Warren slot in around 2-4 in the above mentioned guys.
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Burden sounds like the antithesis of a McVay palyer
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That would definitely push him to the second round if those things are true
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Yeah but honestly I question the shit out of this because of one reason alone. Its lying season for all teams. It wouldn't surprise me if these scouts are full of shit in attempts to get Burden to fall. Wouldn't be the first time. Now I hope no one gets it twisted but I'm not saying it can't be true but to take stuff like this with a grain of salt especially as we get closer to draft day. No telling what bullshit teams are selling about any player. Burden definitely has talent but we shall find out soon enough if these rumors are really impacting where he is drafted.
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That's a good point. I see him like AD Mitchell from last year (I was a big fan of him too). If I'm in the back of the first round I'd that shot. Or ideally a trade down. I think AD went 34th overall? I could see 35-36 as burdens floor.
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Well then a lot of people been lying on Burden cause this shit has been out there forever by multiple sources AND him taking plays off is ON TAPE so I don't know what to tell you...
Look he's got some great talent but you've got to be willing to take the chance he's gonna Kadarius Toney your ass.
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Bottom line is the Rams or any team wants to draft any player and feel they need more info, they call that particular player's position coach and tell the position coach to give an honest assessment. The vast majority of time said position coach gives an honest assessment because you never know who you will be working for down the road. Anyway McGinn has had this column for over 40 years and it is my favorite draft time read. Make of it what you will, but I have always found it eye opening and insightful.
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The draft is like an avalanche. It's happening in real time. There is no "one guy". Snead will adjust as it happens.