Tanner McKee

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dieterbrock said:
Seems like a kid who will get over-drafted based on physical attributes while his pedestrian production/stats will seemingly be overlooked
I know Stanford had some lean years but only 28 TD passes in 22 career starts?
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El Chapo Jr said:
Hell no to that idea. We aren't drafting to secure a future QB. We are trying to win another championship. Maybe next year would be the earliest to try but that also depends how we look this year.
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Agree, grab a guy late and or go get a guy like Mike White or Taylor Heineke to be a solid back up and maybe a future 1 yr bridge starter to a kid you draft high next yr.
 
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Yannick Ngakoue is a FA. Sign him and solve the DE issue. Re-sign Gaines to fill the interior. Gaines IMO is the best player to play 3T when AD retires. They drafted Brown to fill that NT role in anticipation of Gaines moving to 3T. That's why he's one of the top FA they need to re-sign. Yannick would be like having another Miller on the DL. That is the kind of impact he would make. Hoecht could be the successor to Floyd. He's got the speed, but he lacks the outside technique because he's been inside all along. He's a year maybe two away from being a decent edge player. It's why as a rookie I compared him to AD. He simply lacks AD's strength and technique.

They are probably going to sort out the guys they have on the OL and go with them. There looks to be enough talent there to build a pretty good OL.

They need better than a treadless vet as their backup QB. They also have to figure that Stafford is going to retire in 2024 or 2025 so they need that follow on QB. If Stafford is retiring in 2024 they need Mayfield or a good QB in the draft. Top of the second can get you a good developmental QB and that is what Tanner is. He looks a lot better than his team's record. He needs a year to polish his technique and learn to read NFL defenses. In 2024 Tanner could be a starter with as many upsides as Goff had in 2017. They got to the SB with Goff in 2018 and that loss was on McVay, not Goff. McVay got out-coached. Thats why signing Mayfield or taking a QB at 36 makes a whole lot of sense. Taking a QB at 36 means you have your follow on QB in development while Stafford plays his one or two more years.

The defense other than a DE is really set if Morris would get off his ass and play his best players. Start Rochell, and Durant and allow Hill to walk and bench Kendrick who is not a team player. His half-hearted tackling effort exposed him for the player he is. They have Lake to replace Rapp and they need to re-sign Scott. Lake and Scott are both SS because they lack the range to play deep FS. That said they are both faster than Rapp and Fuller. The bottom line is that the defense has personnel better than their stats or record. They simply haven't been played well by Morris.

They should re-sign Sony Michel because he's a grinder that they need for those tough short yardage plays. This team is basically lacking only a DE opposite Floyd, and a 3rd RB.

With just a couple of players and a new DC this team could make another run this year. I wouldn't mind Jimmy Lake as a DC. He played his defense aggressively. Under Jimmy Lake the Washington Husky defense was ranked 12th in the nation, leading in the FBS in takeaways and 8th in the nation in scoring defense. With this defensive roster they would be a top 10 maybe top 5 unit in the NFL. IMO there is only one reason they hired Jimmy Lake and that is to be DC. His aggressive secondary style would clash with Morris' idea that it's ok if the receivers make the reception, just tackle them and that's good enough. Jimmy Lake and Morris are polar opposites when it comes to playing defense. No way Morris would let Jimmy play the secondary aggressively.
 
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I think we would be so much better with a QB that can run well as well as throw, I like that double threat, it definitely keeps defenses more on their toes.
 
MarkyMark said:
I think we would be so much better with a QB that can run well as well as throw, I like that double threat, it definitely keeps defenses more on their toes.
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Sure. Everybody loves a "mobile" QB who can throw and escape when blocking breaks down or coverage doesn't lapse. The problem is so very few fit that description. Mahomes. Hurts? Lamar? That's 3 (if we put Hurts and Lamar in Mahomes class....which I don't) out of not just 32 QBs but 3 out of however many QBs who've played in the NFL the last 5 or 6 years. If you add to those two attributes (arm and speed), toughness, intelligence, accuracy, reading defenses and leadership, its fairly similar to desiring a WR who is tall, thick, fast with leaping ability, uncommon agility, great hands who is a terrific route runner and can block. A great weapon to have but extremely uncommon. That QB might be the kid from USC but we either have to go 2-15 this year or trade somebody for a first round pick to the team that finishes 2023 with the worst record. :biggrin:
 
Whether he is good or not the question is is he the best prospect at draft point in the 2nd round where you think he will go. I just disagree. There are more important needs that are valued as high as he maybe. A BU QB is a luxury and easily available in FA or later in the draft but that's just my opinion.
 
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Yannick Ngakoue is a FA. Sign him and solve the DE issue. Re-sign Gaines to fill the interior. Gaines IMO is the best player to play 3T when AD retires. They drafted Brown to fill that NT role in anticipation of Gaines moving to 3T. That's why he's one of the top FA they need to re-sign. Yannick would be like having another Miller on the DL. That is the kind of impact he would make. Hoecht could be the successor to Floyd. He's got the speed, but he lacks the outside technique because he's been inside all along. He's a year maybe two away from being a decent edge player. It's why as a rookie I compared him to AD. He simply lacks AD's strength and technique.

They are probably going to sort out the guys they have on the OL and go with them. There looks to be enough talent there to build a pretty good OL.

They need better than a treadless vet as their backup QB. They also have to figure that Stafford is going to retire in 2024 or 2025 so they need that follow on QB. If Stafford is retiring in 2024 they need Mayfield or a good QB in the draft. Top of the second can get you a good developmental QB and that is what Tanner is. He looks a lot better than his team's record. He needs a year to polish his technique and learn to read NFL defenses. In 2024 Tanner could be a starter with as many upsides as Goff had in 2017. They got to the SB with Goff in 2018 and that loss was on McVay, not Goff. McVay got out-coached. Thats why signing Mayfield or taking a QB at 36 makes a whole lot of sense. Taking a QB at 36 means you have your follow on QB in development while Stafford plays his one or two more years.

The defense other than a DE is really set if Morris would get off his ass and play his best players. Start Rochell, and Durant and allow Hill to walk and bench Kendrick who is not a team player. His half-hearted tackling effort exposed him for the player he is. They have Lake to replace Rapp and they need to re-sign Scott. Lake and Scott are both SS because they lack the range to play deep FS. That said they are both faster than Rapp and Fuller. The bottom line is that the defense has personnel better than their stats or record. They simply haven't been played well by Morris.

They should re-sign Sony Michel because he's a grinder that they need for those tough short yardage plays. This team is basically lacking only a DE opposite Floyd, and a 3rd RB.

With just a couple of players and a new DC this team could make another run this year. I wouldn't mind Jimmy Lake as a DC. He played his defense aggressively. Under Jimmy Lake the Washington Husky defense was ranked 12th in the nation, leading in the FBS in takeaways and 8th in the nation in scoring defense. With this defensive roster they would be a top 10 maybe top 5 unit in the NFL. IMO there is only one reason they hired Jimmy Lake and that is to be DC. His aggressive secondary style would clash with Morris' idea that it's ok if the receivers make the reception, just tackle them and that's good enough. Jimmy Lake and Morris are polar opposites when it comes to playing defense. No way Morris would let Jimmy play the secondary aggressively.
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The team needs some young playmakers and a real good young pillar to build an OL around for the future. DL pass rush would be nice as well. To many try hard guys, but no one is special outside of AD.

So I would add speed to the offense whether it be a young reserve RB like the Chiefs found in Pacheco. Can get guys like that throughput the draft.

Need a young playmaker at TE. Higbee is always nicked up it seems for a good stretch of the yr and he will likely be gone within a yr. And Hopkins will be a FA next yr. A dynamic talent at TE would be huge for Stafford and a future young QB.

Add a stud young center early in the draft to build the future of your OL around and then maybe add some depth later in the draft or add a vet FA.

Add pass rush speed to the defense at edge and a DT that can get in the backfield would be nice.

And finally, add a young playmaker in the secondary to compete with or play along side Durant.
 
jrry32 said:
Ngakoue is one of the worst run defenders in football. The guy can rush the passer, but I don't see the Rams investing a lot of money in an EDGE who can't defend the run at all.
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IMO - this 2021 draft class will shine this next year here. The Briwn Bro’s are both Big & Young.Coming into there 3rd season is when you find these types of players start to excel.
—Tutu Atwell is still a big question mark.He has the talent & he showed he can make an impact.This offseason is Big for him to try to add more strength & power if that is possible?
Van Jefferson & Kupp both being healthy will be important.
—Not having depth a TE is unexceptable.At least a FB,not Ben Sko.Will Harris be healthy?
The STAR of that group is Ernest Jones who says he can play better & wants to be Great.Playing next to Bobby Wagner will help him get there if he does all the things he says he will?
—The Rams have a nice core of players.Les Snead needs to come up big in this offseason though. I’m not even going to try to guess where they go before the draft,or who The Rams will keep.
—Contracts & Free Agency can get crazy &future comp picks will be interesting.Taylor Rapp I want to make bank elsewhere?
 
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Rams drafting a QB at 36? Never gonna happen, nor should it.

Snead, after extensive contract restructuring, is gonna strain his damnedest to address one or two of the following in FA or via trade while trying to fill holes predraft:

Edge
LOT
OC
OG

Then, come draft time he will take BPA from among the positions above not filled in FA/trade plus:

CB
RB
TE
S

Not necessarily in that order, of course.

As an aside, I suspect that TE might be a higher pick than many suppose. It’s a big need in a diversified O and there is some real TE talent in this draft.

Backup QB? I’m betting it’s gonna be Mike White as a FA.
 
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PARAM said:
Sounds like if he lasts to the Rams pick, we could pick up a bounty by trading down with a team in dire need of a QB.
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That would be ideal. We don't need a quarterback just yet. We have other holes to fill.
 
People see holes where there aren't any in reality. If they want a dominating edge they have one in AD. Move Gaines to 3T play Hoecht and Hardy behind AD and Floyd. Hole plugged.

They need a #3 RB. Michel is a cheap vet who produced.

They are loaded at WR.

OL: Noteboom, Thomas, Shelton, Bruss, and Havenstein can be starters. Thomas has some starting experience so only Bruss is inexperienced. They have Brewer, Nsekhe, and Jackson who can compete with Thomas and Bruss but who IMO is starting RT in 2024. That isn't a bad starting OL with 3 decent depth players.

DL Floyd, Gaines, Brown, and Donald. LBs Wagner, Jones, Howard

Secondary Ramsey, Rochell, Durant, Lake, Yeast, and Scott

QB2 is a need. One more serious concussion and Stafford may be down and out headed for retirement. That is reality pretending it isn't doesn't make it go away. This offense runs thru the QB perhaps more than most. Right now lose Stafford and the season is done. There is no other position that can't be filled or compensated for when talking about QB1.

These are guys currently on the roster or likely to re-sign and this team is actually built right now. Add an edge, RB, TE it's all depth.

Next year is another matter. Donald is likely to retire so they need an edge. As for Ngakoue not being able to set an edge, if played properly the 3-4 hybrid which is what the Rams play has an OLB backing the DE. That normally would be Howard if they are in their base defense. In a nickel then the WIL (Jones) slides over. If you remember Howard's INT during the Niner game, that's why he was there to make the pick. He plays closer to the LOS if it's run and drops into the flats or short outside zone in pass situations.

All I'm saying is that in reality the team is essentially built. The biggest need is QB2 or the season is done if Stafford goes down.
 
I'd rather pick up a guy in the 3rd or 4th round. Maybe a guy who can run and pass. I know they're out there we just have to find a good fit. Think Perkins if he had a better arm.
 
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People see holes where there aren't any in reality. If they want a dominating edge they have one in AD. Move Gaines to 3T play Hoecht and Hardy behind AD and Floyd. Hole plugged.

They need a #3 RB. Michel is a cheap vet who produced.

They are loaded at WR.

OL: Noteboom, Thomas, Shelton, Bruss, and Havenstein can be starters. Thomas has some starting experience so only Bruss is inexperienced. They have Brewer, Nsekhe, and Jackson who can compete with Thomas and Bruss but who IMO is starting RT in 2024. That isn't a bad starting OL with 3 decent depth players.

DL Floyd, Gaines, Brown, and Donald. LBs Wagner, Jones, Howard

Secondary Ramsey, Rochell, Durant, Lake, Yeast, and Scott

QB2 is a need. One more serious concussion and Stafford may be down and out headed for retirement. That is reality pretending it isn't doesn't make it go away. This offense runs thru the QB perhaps more than most. Right now lose Stafford and the season is done. There is no other position that can't be filled or compensated for when talking about QB1.

These are guys currently on the roster or likely to re-sign and this team is actually built right now. Add an edge, RB, TE it's all depth.

Next year is another matter. Donald is likely to retire so they need an edge. As for Ngakoue not being able to set an edge, if played properly the 3-4 hybrid which is what the Rams play has an OLB backing the DE. That normally would be Howard if they are in their base defense. In a nickel then the WIL (Jones) slides over. If you remember Howard's INT during the Niner game, that's why he was there to make the pick. He plays closer to the LOS if it's run and drops into the flats or short outside zone in pass situations.

All I'm saying is that in reality the team is essentially built. The biggest need is QB2 or the season is done if Stafford goes down.
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When and if the Rams need a QB, we'll most likely have a shit year and end up with a high draft pick. At that point, they'll look at QBs in the draft or trade said high draft pick for one. Most teams don't function with a high end back up QB. I get you are going to pound the table for a #2 QB and respect your stance, but it ain't happening. We are trying to win with Stafford and a backup will not save us if he gets hurt unless we get lucky with a Warner 2.0 which is also highly doubtful
 
Jacobarch said:
I'd rather pick up a guy in the 3rd or 4th round. Maybe a guy who can run and pass. I know they're out there we just have to find a good fit. Think Perkins if he had a better arm.
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He's out there, his name is Clayton Tune. Might be there with one of the 6th rounders
 
I'd rather sign a FA backup QB for this year.

We have a one, MAYBE two year window to win another SB.

We are all in on Stafford staying healthy.

Lets draft Oline.
 
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