Take it or Leave it. (aka Penalty or Nah?)

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New segment I'll be trying out weekly. Since, you know, there's always a call or play we have to discuss ad nauseum every week regardless of the outcome. So, here's the inaugural video. Quinn called for unnecessary roughness on Fournette against Jacksonville.

Penalty (take it) or Nah (leave it)?

Granted, I may have installed my bias into this particular video, but I'll try to stop that going forward.

Poll attached.

The NFL will force you to watch this on YouTube, but at least they're no longer deleting these.


View: https://youtu.be/j2ZLSduWrzA

 

[Memento]

That's absolutely not a penalty. No way is that tackle a penalty. I understand wanting to get suplexes and shit like that out of the game, but this was harmless in comparison.

 

[Ramhusker]

He was already starting to throw him down when the whistle was blown. No flag in my opinion.

 

[Rmfnlt]

Some may not like my take, but I think it was a penalty.

Once in the grasp like Quinn had him (there was no forward progress), Quinn should have just let him go.

You see it all the time with the Rams defenders... they have the opponent stopped and they just let him go.

Now.. the whistle thing? Again, I put that on Quinn... he should have just kept holding him until the whistle came in.

He knows better and I'm sure Phillips will be pointing that out to him on film this week.

 

[RedRam]

I didn't see Barwin (#98) do anything...

 

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NFL Rules. Interpret it as you will.

 

[nighttrain]

NAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Faceplant]

GTFO

 

[I like Rams]

No penalty. If anyone has ever thrown someone down in a similar fashion, they would know that the energy used to produce such a movement has already peaked and momentum is what is continuing the process. Stopping the momentum puts the player doing the throwing in a worse position than the one being thrown. Especially when throwing 200+ lbs.

 

[rdlkgliders]

Penalty, I was saying let go before he did it and was worried he may get called so I am going with my gut.

 

[Rambitious1]

My brother and I both called BS and looked at each other at the same time.
Total BS call.

 

[sjm1582002]

I was not surprised when the flag flew.

 

[tklongball]

I mean come on, he tackled that runningback pretty hard.

 

[fearsomefour]

Absurd.

 

[Zodi]

Rbs can fight for extra yardage, so defenders shouldn't have to stop tackling as soon as forward progress "stops." Stupid penalty.

 

[Mojo Ram]

I would throw the flag ONLY if that was a QB. It wasn't.
So in this case...Leave it.

 

[Boston Ram]

Rbs can fight for extra yardage, so defenders shouldn't have to stop tackling as soon as forward progress "stops." Stupid penalty.

Agreed and Fournette was running and battling for extra yards all game. As soon as he slammed Jim to the ground I knew it would be a penalty though

 

[Farr Be It]

Some may not like my take, but I think it was a penalty.

Once in the grasp like Quinn had him (there was no forward progress), Quinn should have just let him go.

You see it all the time with the Rams defenders... they have the opponent stopped and they just let him go.

Now.. the whistle thing? Again, I put that on Quinn... he should have just kept holding him until the whistle came in.

He knows better and I'm sure Phillips will be pointing that out to him on film this week.

You have to factor in that these guys are playing at game speed. Leonard Fournette is one tough SOB. He breaks tackles. If defensive players get 1-2 steps to the quarterback, how do you figure they DON'T get to follow through with an already started motion? (Good freeze frame, @x)

If anything, Quinn needs to be MORE encouraged to play tougher. This was quite evidently a BAD call. GTFO, indeed.

Should it have gone like this:

RQ: "I've got you Leonard! You're in my grasp, and I'll never let you go!"

LF: "Oh Rob, I give up. In this big old crazy world of the NFL, there is no player with a grip like yours. Just hold me....hold me, and together we will wait for the whistle."

 

[gabriel18]

I've seen a lot worse but you can't trust the zebras to get it right . I'm more upset with constantly lining up in the neutral zone.

 

[Farr Be It]

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NFL Rules. Interpret it as you will.

Again, refs designated 'declaration device' is the whistle...:redcard:....<------- see there. The "declaration" was not made until the player had already begun his effort to bring the player to the ground. As there is not valid, or otherwise stated regulation holding players responsible to stop such an effort-in-motion, this is not even a debate. It was a bad call. It happens. The refs are human. Good thing it did not cost the Rams the game.