Refs Instructed to Call More Holding Calls?

[badnews]

This man disagrees

Thats a bad man, too.

Yet I'll take Donald vs anyone the Bears have EVER had at OG over Mack vs Whitworth/Havenstein.

KM will make his plays, but all things being equal, this should ultimately favor us.

 

[RamWoodie]

It can only help the Rams. In the Game Day threads there are lots of screams for holding calls against the DLine...and I agree.

I know they missed quite a few in the KC game!

 

[LesBaker]

Yet many here claim the NFL would never get away with tampering with outcomes of games. Somebody would come forward. Someone will spill the beans. But they suddenly have the potential MVP and new record setting sack leader, who is on the current Super Bowl favorite and they suddenly decide to make it easier for him to win MVP, and break a long standing record, from an interior line position. Sure sounds like they are fixing the outcome of the MVP race. A monster finish by Donald would likely seal it.

All of that is evidence of..........nothing.

And Donald winning the MVP even if he breaks the record is not assured even if he sets the record. The Rams player with the best shot at that title is Gurley. He's on pace for 2200 yards from scrimmage and 25 TD's. Mahomes IMO is the front runner though because if he turned out to be average or worse the Chiefs would end the year at 3-4 wins. The big gamble paid dividends. We'll see how it goes next year, that'll be when we all have an idea of what he actually is as a player. But to date he is having an historic season. He has some good defenses coming up though so Gurley has a chance to take the lead.

Anyway..........

Many refs have been let go by the NFL. Many. Hundreds of people have been NFL refs, yet not even one has come forward.

If there was this level of cheating going on what do you think it would be worth to a book company?

If a ref came forward with legit proof it would be the biggest selling book EVER. The ref could garner 50MIL up front and another 50MIL when it published. The book signings would have 20 mile long lines. Then other refs that have retired or been fired would make a move to cash in and there would be multiple former refs making claims. The entire media would be all over this and the NFL as we know it might cease to exist. It would rank as perhaps the largest scandal ever and for sure the largest sports scandal in the world.

The movie rights would be worth a record amount too.

Goodell and every single owner since the start of this massive fraud would be forced to sell their teams or possibly have them taken away by a court since they used them to perpetrate the largest fraud in the history of the USA, face gigantic fines and jail time that would see them dying in prison. Even owners who no longer own a team would be sent away.

But there isn't a single shred of evidence that there is even an iota of truth there.

Yeah it was blatant on one of the recent games where we were up by 2 possessions to end the game and the refs started calling everything against us. I think it was Denver.

They were legit calls.

 

[1maGoh]

All of that is evidence of..........nothing.

And Donald winning the MVP even if he breaks the record is not assured even if he sets the record. The Rams player with the best shot at that title is Gurley. He's on pace for 2200 yards from scrimmage and 25 TD's. Mahomes IMO is the front runner though because if he turned out to be average or worse the Chiefs would end the year at 3-4 wins. The big gamble paid dividends. We'll see how it goes next year, that'll be when we all have an idea of what he actually is as a player. But to date he is having an historic season. He has some good defenses coming up though so Gurley has a chance to take the lead.

Anyway..........

Many refs have been let go by the NFL. Many. Hundreds of people have been NFL refs, yet not even one has come forward.

If there was this level of cheating going on what do you think it would be worth to a book company?

If a ref came forward with legit proof it would be the biggest selling book EVER. The ref could garner 50MIL up front and another 50MIL when it published. The book signings would have 20 mile long lines. Then other refs that have retired or been fired would make a move to cash in and there would be multiple former refs making claims. The entire media would be all over this and the NFL as we know it might cease to exist. It would rank as perhaps the largest scandal ever and for sure the largest sports scandal in the world.

The movie rights would be worth a record amount too.

Goodell and every single owner since the start of this massive fraud would be forced to sell their teams or possibly have them taken away by a court since they used them to perpetrate the largest fraud in the history of the USA, face gigantic fines and jail time that would see them dying in prison. Even owners who no longer own a team would be sent away.

But there isn't a single shred of evidence that there is even an iota of truth there.




They were legit calls.

Just to play devil's advocate, the NFL isn't required to offer a fair game so there is no fraud. And if the refs sign an NDA that gives the NFL all revenue generated from leaked info (or some other such devious scheme to reduce the financial incentive of leaks to zero) then the outgoing ref has no reason to leak anything.

That's not to mention the psuedo-legal means of revenge (or potentially outright illegal means) that the NFL might be willing and able to inflict.

Also, how many whistleblowers have a great life after whistleblowing? Self preservation is a hell of a thing. Other companies have done outright illegal and vile things and tens of thousands of employees have said nothing. It's not like it's unprecedented for it to go undiscovered.

 

[LesBaker]

It's cool with me I like discussion with you, your thoughtful.

Just to play devil's advocate, the NFL isn't required to offer a fair game so there is no fraud.

If they are selling tickets and getting paid billions by TV stations they would be required to reveal that the game wasn't legit. This would add hundreds possibly thousands more to the pool that would have to be quiet about knowing the games are rigged.

I would argue that they are required to offer a fair game because that's what they are selling. Not providing it, and actually providing rigged games, is fraud. And on a massive scale like no other.

TV stations and everyone else would cover the NFL with lawsuits.

Why would owners and the league take the risk? It would only take one guy coming forward to ruin them financially, disgrace them and their families, and spend years upon years in jail.

And why this makes so sense is this..........they simply don't need to do it.

And if the refs sign an NDA that gives the NFL all revenue generated from leaked info (or some other such devious scheme to reduce the financial incentive of leaks to zero) then the outgoing ref has no reason to leak anything.

An NDA like that would never make it to court, this would be too big of a deal. And non competes and NDA's don't mean a thing in a situation like this. You cannot have an NDA over a gigantic series of literally thousands of felony charges between the hundreds of people who would have to know about it, a judge would throw it out right away.

That's not to mention the psuedo-legal means of revenge (or potentially outright illegal means) that the NFL might be willing and able to inflict.

But after all of these decades NOT ONE has even hinted, or dropped info.

 

[1maGoh]

It's cool with me I like discussion with you, your thoughtful.



If they are selling tickets and getting paid billions by TV stations they would be required to reveal that the game wasn't legit. This would add hundreds possibly thousands more to the pool that would have to be quiet about knowing the games are rigged.

I would argue that they are required to offer a fair game because that's what they are selling. Not providing it, and actually providing rigged games, is fraud. And on a massive scale like no other.

TV stations and everyone else would cover the NFL with lawsuits.

Why would owners and the league take the risk? It would only take one guy coming forward to ruin them financially, disgrace them and their families, and spend years upon years in jail.

And why this makes so sense is this..........they simply don't need to do it.



An NDA like that would never make it to court, this would be too big of a deal. And non competes and NDA's don't mean a thing in a situation like this. You cannot have an NDA over a gigantic series of literally thousands of felony charges between the hundreds of people who would have to know about it, a judge would throw it out right away.



But after all of these decades NOT ONE has even hinted, or dropped info.

Somebody already sued the NFL for a rigged game and it was thrown out because they don't claim to offer a fair game.

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSN1922744820100519

Here's an excerpt from the judge:
"We do not condone the conduct on the part of the Patriots and the team's head coach, and we likewise refrain from assessing whether the NFL's sanctions (and its alleged destruction of the videotapes themselves) were otherwise appropriate," Judge Robert Cowen wrote for the court.

He said that, while unhappy fans can vent frustration by speaking out against the Patriots, Belichick or the league, or refusing to buy tickets or NFL merchandise, "the one thing they cannot do is bring a legal action in a court of law."

 

[bubbaramfan]

Games are fixed, have been for years.

 

[LesBaker]

Somebody already sued the NFL for a rigged game and it was thrown out because they don't claim to offer a fair game.

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSN1922744820100519

Here's an excerpt from the judge:
"We do not condone the conduct on the part of the Patriots and the team's head coach, and we likewise refrain from assessing whether the NFL's sanctions (and its alleged destruction of the videotapes themselves) were otherwise appropriate," Judge Robert Cowen wrote for the court.

He said that, while unhappy fans can vent frustration by speaking out against the Patriots, Belichick or the league, or refusing to buy tickets or NFL merchandise, "the one thing they cannot do is bring a legal action in a court of law."

That's a fan suing for cheating. Completely different than a long running many decades long fraud.

It's apples and orangutans. Wait I mean oranges HAHA.

 

[1maGoh]

That's a fan suing for cheating. Completely different than a long running many decades long fraud.

It's apples and orangutans. Wait I mean oranges HAHA.

A part of that lawsuit was that the NFL was involved in offering an unfair product because they destroyed the tapes. Same article:

But the appeals court said ticket-holders possess only licenses or contractual rights to see games, and that it is up to the NFL to enforce its own rules if something goes amiss.

But wait, there's more:

Lee Marshall, a litigation partner at Bryan Cave LLP in San Francisco, said courts are "basically closing doors" to fans seeking to sue over on-field rules violations.

"If decisions went the other way, leagues would be defending lawsuits all over," he said.


And a little more:

Bruce Afran, a lawyer working with Mayer, said Wednesday's ruling "invites professional teams to cheat, without liability to fans who pay to support them. It strikes us as very strange that one can spend tens of thousands of dollars for season tickets and have no right to be protected from fraud."



So, it seems that the NFL is responsible for only offering a game between 2 teams, and can decide how to officiate it's rules on it's own. That's why they can do things like mid season announcements to call penalties according to the rules (and not some random guy's personal philosophy on what a foul really is). They can emphasize and deemphasize fouls at any time because they aren't legally obligated to officiate games according to their own rules. Fans have no legal right to fair games officiated according to the published rules and no recourse if they aren't called that way.

 

[LesBaker]

A part of that lawsuit was that the NFL was involved in offering an unfair product because they destroyed the tapes. Same article:

But the appeals court said ticket-holders possess only licenses or contractual rights to see games, and that it is up to the NFL to enforce its own rules if something goes amiss.

But wait, there's more:

Lee Marshall, a litigation partner at Bryan Cave LLP in San Francisco, said courts are "basically closing doors" to fans seeking to sue over on-field rules violations.

"If decisions went the other way, leagues would be defending lawsuits all over," he said.


And a little more:

Bruce Afran, a lawyer working with Mayer, said Wednesday's ruling "invites professional teams to cheat, without liability to fans who pay to support them. It strikes us as very strange that one can spend tens of thousands of dollars for season tickets and have no right to be protected from fraud."



So, it seems that the NFL is responsible for only offering a game between 2 teams, and can decide how to officiate it's rules on it's own. That's why they can do things like mid season announcements to call penalties according to the rules (and not some random guy's personal philosophy on what a foul really is). They can emphasize and deemphasize fouls at any time because they aren't legally obligated to officiate games according to their own rules. Fans have no legal right to fair games officiated according to the published rules and no recourse if they aren't called that way.

It's still just the cover up of cheating, it isn't fixing games in a widespread conspiracy, or fans trying to sue over calls and outcomes they didn't like.

No sale Amigo!

 

[WestCoastRam]

Anyone catch that blurb from from D'Marco Farr about talking to Kromer... and how he was incensed to hear some of the "techniques" he was instructing the oline to use. So many people focusing on Donald in this thread... and I'm over here worrying about our Oline now...

 

[yrba1]

NFL is hitting FIFA levels of shadiness with that announcement, at least make a formal change in the rulebook rather than an arbitrary notion

 

[1maGoh]

Anyone catch that blurb from from D'Marco Farr about talking to Kromer... and how he was incensed to hear some of the "techniques" he was instructing the oline to use. So many people focusing on Donald in this thread... and I'm over here worrying about our Oline now...

Yeah, I'm thinking this won't help us. Especially if that other guy on here is correct and they don't call holding on double teams due to "philosophy". That's most of what Donald faces, so this change wine impact him if that's correct.

 

[bubbaramfan]

It's their game, they own it, they make, (or unmake) the rules.

They can cheat or fix games as they see fit, according to the courts.

Fans are left with what they see fit to present. If it looks like manipulation or downright cheating, fans can't do anything about it but keep their money in their pocket.

 

[kurtfaulk]

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https://www.mediapost.com/publicati...heories-is-the-nfl-broken-because-its-fi.html

Since you probably won’t, here’s the tl;dr: The NFL argued, and the court agreed, that people who buy tickets to an NFL game have the contractual right to a seat to watch two teams play each other, and nothing else. The court even quoted Mayer’s ticket stub, which reads: “This ticket only grants entry into the stadium and a spectator seat for the specified NFL game.” (emphasis added)

Also in 2010, in a separate court case against the NFL over branded items like hats and shirts, the league presented itself not as 32 separate teams, but as one singular business “unit in the entertainment marketplace.”

Throughout that case, the NFL repeatedly positioned itself legally as a “sports entertainment” business, not a genuinely contested “sport.” College football, for example, is legally classified as a “collegiate sport.” The only other “sports entertainment” businesses are professional wrestling and roller derby.

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[Merlin]

I don’t think our O holds any more than any other, but still.....could possibly cut both ways.

Very unlikely. Due to AD alone our DL is held far more than most, and on obvious passing downs Suh is held more than most NTs as well.

Offensively our dudes hold of course. But not more than our DL is held. If there is any truth to all this, it is a huge boon for the Rams moreso than any other team.

 

[LesBaker]

Yawn.........

 

[Classic Rams]

If they're going to call a jersey tug here and there, then everyone does that including our guys. I'm wanting the headlocks and tackling of our D-line called. Not just vs Donald but vs Suh, Brock, Fowler... heck any muggings similar to those obvious ones that've been uncalled in the past.

 

[1maGoh]

If they're going to call a jersey tug here and there, then everyone does that including our guys. I'm wanting the headlocks and tackling of our D-line called. Not just vs Donald but vs Suh, Brock, Fowler... heck any muggings similar to those obvious ones that've been uncalled in the past.

Like the one from Seattle where the table literally pulled Ebukam down backwards by the shoulder pads, like he was trying to force him to do a neck bridge?

 

[LesBaker]

Seattle where the table literally pulled Ebukam

A table?