Rams’ Robert Quinn, Alec Ogletree have fumble-forcing habits

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THOUSAND OAKS >> For anyone still wondering about Robert Quinn’s health, it might be safe to exhale.

After missing half of last season due to a back injury, the Rams’ defensive end has started to resemble his former All-Pro self, inducing nightmares for opposing quarterbacks. Need to quantify his performance? Quinn has forced 17 fumbles since 2013, including two this season. No other player is really within striking distance.

“That’s one stat that he doesn’t get enough recognition for,” said defensive line coach Mike Waufle.

Quinn holds first place by a healthy margin, knocking out five more loose balls than Washington linebacker Ryan Kerrigan. Rams teammate Alec Ogletree has been productive too, racking up 11 forced fumbles since 2013 — the same number as J.J. Watt, the NFL’s three-time Defensive Player of the Year. Dolphins defensive end Cameron Wake has 10, while a slew of others — including Pro Bowlers Von Miller (Broncos) and Ezekiel Ansah (Lions) — have nine.

Quinn knew he was in the lead, though he hadn’t sought out the exact number. He said he most likely saw it mentioned when scrolling through Instagram on his phone.

Some of the success could be due to simple luck — right place, right time, right swing of the arm. Rarely does the NFL’s list of leaders in forced fumbles stay the same on a year-to-year basis.

That Quinn plays defensive end on the right side, facing the blind side of most quarterbacks, doesn’t hurt either.

“It’s a little bit easier to create some fumbles when the guy doesn’t see you coming,” he said.

But some amount of training likely factors in as well. The Rams’ coaching staff, particularly Waufle and defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, emphasize that their players develop a nose for the ball. Every Friday, the defensive line runs through ball drills, trying to make turnover production a habit. They want the defense to score points: Last Sunday, for example, Quinn swatted the ball out of Jameis Winston’s hand, allowing Ethan Westbrooks to pick it up for a 77-yard touchdown to help beat the Buccaneers.

“You must work your craft, no matter how minor a detail it may be,” Quinn said. “Something’s always going to be important. … You never know what type of play or how the ball may bounce your way.”

Added Waufle: “When you get to the quarterback, what do you do? Are you getting the sack, making sure he’s down, or are you going for the football? If you don’t emphasize going for the football, you’re not going to get it.”

And then, there’s the natural talent. Waufle said Quinn reminds him of Osi Umenyiora, whom he had coached for six years. Now a part of the New York Giants’ Ring of Honor, Umenyiora once forced 19 fumbles over four seasons, one of which he missed due to a knee injury.

Likewise, Quinn and Ogletree have put up gaudy numbers despite their own ailments. The defensive end was limited to eight games in 2015, while the linebacker appeared in only four before he broke his fibula against the Cardinals (1-2), the team the Rams (2-1) will visit this Sunday.

“Sometimes, it’s just instinct,” said Ogletree, who caused and recovered the fumble that clinched the Rams’ Week 2 win over the Seahawks. “Just recognizing what’s going on, having a feel for the ball — if you can get it out, or if you just need to make the tackle and call it a day. You could practice it, but at the same time, we joke about it all the time.

“They ask me how I do that. I’ll be like, ‘Sometimes, I don’t even know.’”
 
Lack of INT's has been a problem !! Tru Johnson was not worth signing to such a big contract for muti years.

On Quinn's forced fumble it is amazing how fast both Quinn & O'tree were ahead of the play blocking down field.
 
Lack of INT's has been a problem !! Tru Johnson was not worth signing to such a big contract for muti years.

On Quinn's forced fumble it is amazing how fast both Quinn & O'tree were ahead of the play blocking down field.
Tru is franchised, please inform yourself before making uniformed posts. He is better than Jenkins was. Thats fact.
 
Lack of INT's has been a problem !! Tru Johnson was not worth signing to such a big contract for muti years.

On Quinn's forced fumble it is amazing how fast both Quinn & O'tree were ahead of the play blocking down field.
Big money...yes. multi years...no.
 
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Tru is franchised, please inform yourself before making uniformed posts. He is better than Jenkins was. Thats fact.

That is fine, but it was not a multi year contract worth $65 million. Just saying in the long run he still needs to improve. He had a lot of INT's last year . I don't believe he will have more than 4 this season. Tru is holding down his left side.
Will see how EJ does ? He seems to force the fumbles.
 
Big money...yes. multi years...no.

The Rams had to sign at least one of the 3 DB's of there's . Tru has the most upside.

--- Rodney must be playing good ? Philly's D has seemed to be impressive . I have not watched much football this year.Crazy how much I use to watch in past years.
Sports bars on Sunday was my ticket.Would Have already seen JJ as well. Giants gave up a lot of points to Washington.

Add Mark Barron to the DB's as well.(I know he is playing LBer)
 
Tru is franchised, please inform yourself before making uniformed posts. He is better than Jenkins was. Thats fact.

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:ROFLMAO: come on man.. Tru's good but we're missing Jenkins right now and so is Tru. A big reason for his success last year was playing opposite of Jenkins
 
Now they need someone in the secondary to get some Atogwe in them since INTs may not be be a big thing this year.
 
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:ROFLMAO: come on man.. Tru's good but we're missing Jenkins right now and so is Tru. A big reason for his success last year was playing opposite of Jenkins

Its possible they're staying away from him this year without anyone on the other side like Jenkins. Hopefully the return of Gaines will change that.
 
I loved the way Tree came and was always so violent with that swipe at the ball...In fact, Quinn seems to be more aggressive with his swipe as well...It's like a hack, a tomahawk chop, that looks like it could break your forearm....

As far as turnovers...It's struggling QB with weak o-line baby! I need to see some picks this game...Tru, TJ, Mo, and EJ...And my new fav. DB, Troy Hill
 
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As far as turnovers...It's struggling QB with weak o-line baby! I need to see some picks this game...Tru, TJ, Mo, and EJ...And my new fav. DB, Troy Hill
I think we can get 3 or 4 in this game with a little Luck! But I don't want to see any give-a-ways either!!(y);):D
 
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:ROFLMAO: come on man.. Tru's good but we're missing Jenkins right now and so is Tru. A big reason for his success last year was playing opposite of Jenkins
Yes we are missing him because Gaines is still injured and we started Sucksibaugh
 
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:ROFLMAO: come on man.. Tru's good but we're missing Jenkins right now and so is Tru. A big reason for his success last year was playing opposite of Jenkins
The ONLY reason some missed Jenkins is because we had to start Sucksibaugh and with the emergence of Hill and Gaines coming back we won't be missing this:

Janoris Jenkins signed a 5 year, $62,500,000 contract with the New York Giants, including a $10,000,000 signing bonus, $28,800,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $12,500,000. In 2016, Jenkins will earn a base salary of $1,400,000, a signing bonus of $10,000,000, a roster bonus of $4,500,000 and a workout bonus of $100,000. Jenkins has a cap hit of $8,000,000 while his dead money value is $28,900,000.

CONTRACT:5 yr(s) / $62,500,000 SIGNING BONUS$10,000,000 AVERAGE SALARY$12,500,000 GUARANTEED:$28,800,000


Let's face it while he was with the Rams outside of his last year with us he was average to slightly above average CB.
 
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The ONLY reason some missed Jenkins is because we had to start Sucksibaugh and with the emergence of Hill and Gaines coming back we won't be missing this:

Janoris Jenkins signed a 5 year, $62,500,000 contract with the New York Giants, including a $10,000,000 signing bonus, $28,800,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $12,500,000. In 2016, Jenkins will earn a base salary of $1,400,000, a signing bonus of $10,000,000, a roster bonus of $4,500,000 and a workout bonus of $100,000. Jenkins has a cap hit of $8,000,000 while his dead money value is $28,900,000.

CONTRACT:5 yr(s) / $62,500,000 SIGNING BONUS$10,000,000 AVERAGE SALARY$12,500,000 GUARANTEED:$28,800,000
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That's the going rate for FA CBs, and it will only go up. May as well make your peace with it. Good players don't come cheap.

How much did we pay Finnegan?
 
So combined they have 28 forced fumbles since 2013. Does anyone know what the next closest pair of teammates in the league has? Probably not anything over 17/18 I'm guessing which shows you how impressive that number is.
 
That's the going rate for FA CBs, and it will only go up. May as well make your peace with it. Good players don't come cheap.

How much did we pay Finnegan?
Not for someone who has done an average job at CB'ing until his contract year, hence our offer at 10 milion.

Your comparing Finnegan's contract of 5 years/50 million to this off season? Really?
I don't know if you realize this but 4 years difference of contracts in the NFL are night and day different in 4 years. Plus the market is different, the available players were different, and not only that but so was our roster.

Jenkins wasn't worth keeping for 12.5 a year, hence why he's on a different roster.
 
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Let's face it while he was with the Rams outside of his last year with us he was average to slightly above average CB.
So was Tru and Tru was also injury prone. I miss Jenkins because he was our 1#cb and believe me Tru misses him as well.
 
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So was Tru and Tru was also injury prone. I miss Jenkins because he was our 1#cb and believe me Tru misses him as well.
Johnson has 15 interceptions (five more than Jenkins) since 2012 and 20 pass defenses on 1,300 fewer snaps.

*drops mic*
 
Johnson has 15 interceptions (five more than Jenkins) since 2012 and 20 pass defenses on 1,300 fewer snaps.

*drops mic*
7 interceptions are from just last year. He was average at best before last year and injury prone. You throw out Jenkins last year and judge him off the rest of his time in the NFL but you include Tru''s last year why? Jenkins is playing better right now. He was our 1# CB when he was here. The coaches said before Gaines was lost for the year that he and Tru were competing for the spot next to Jenkins. I will take the coach's opinion on DBs over yours.