Johnny Hekker: "Humbled for the opportunity to come back"

[Memento]

On a side note I never heard about that so just looked it up and WTF? Someone needs to stomp that dudes ass! He's a serial assaulter and pedo I bet. I've never once heard of a male professional athlete being sexually assualted, and by another male at that.

The pedophile (yes, according to the Athletic article, he molested a high school student after leaving the Blackhawks) had power over the athlete. He could literally bury the kid in the minors, and nobody would question him.

 

[fearsomefour]

Thanks, mods.

Going into it more, as a writer, it would piss me off if someone published my works without permission - and I don't get paid yet (or ever; every cent of the money I make will go to various charities). Imagine someone like Jourdan having her works posted on another site without permission, without the clicks on the Athletic's site.

Posting articles that are in the public eye is fine, but for the Athletic, whose livelihood depends on money they make from subscribers doing clicks, it's something that doesn't feel right quoting - and this is coming from a girl who really can't afford the Athletic.

Game film, all eleven, movie posts, music posts showing music that people are not getting for as they should.....the list goes on.....
Give me a break.

 

[Memento]

Game film, all eleven, movie posts, music posts showing music that people are not getting for as they should.....the list goes on.....
Give me a break.

And you pay for them like you should, right? At least the people here who have game film and all eleven spend their money on it before sharing their analysis with us. And then people like Baldinger, etc., show their own analysis for free, so it interests us enough to look at it; therefore, clicks which pay for their jobs. Same with movies: we see the trailers/GIFs, and we get interested enough to buy it ourselves. As for music, YouTube has had music videos - often made by the musicians themselves to get their brand out - since its inception, and yes, I personally spend my money on music/games that I buy, and if the music/game isn't available on iTunes/Amazon/whatever site you legitimately buy from, tough shit.

And you're telling me to give you a break...why, exactly? Because I think that we should at least show gratitude for the people writing these articles to get paid by not posting them off of the site? Because we're literally interfering with their job by doing that.

 

[fearsomefour]

And you pay for them like you should, right? At least the people here who have game film and all eleven spend their money on it before sharing their analysis with us. And then people like Baldinger, etc., show their own analysis for free, so it interests us enough to look at it; therefore, clicks which pay for their jobs. Same with movies: we see the trailers/GIFs, and we get interested enough to buy it ourselves. As for music, YouTube has had music videos - often made by the musicians themselves to get their brand out - since its inception, and yes, I personally spend my money on music/games that I buy, and if the music/game isn't available on iTunes/Amazon/whatever site you legitimately buy from, tough shit.

And you're telling me to give you a break...why, exactly? Because I think that we should at least show gratitude for the people writing these articles to get paid by not posting them off of the site? Because we're literally interfering with their job by doing that.

How an article posed unless someone who paid posted it?

 

[Memento]

How an article posed unless someone who paid posted it?

The difference is that the Athletic journalists don't get paid unless they get clicks onto that article from the site they wrote it on; i.e., the Athletic website. When people copy/paste articles from the site, that means that they aren't getting paid, same as pirating music/movies makes the artist/director not get paid.

That's what it comes down to: pirating. And the difference between the Athletic and the NFL Direct TV is that a subscription to the Athletic doesn't cost nearly as much as the latter. And you're screwing over people who make a whole lot less than the sports they cover.

 

[fearsomefour]

The difference is that the Athletic journalists don't get paid unless they get clicks onto that article from the site they wrote it on; i.e., the Athletic website. When people copy/paste articles from the site, that means that they aren't getting paid, same as pirating music/movies makes the artist/director not get paid.

That's what it comes down to: pirating. And the difference between the Athletic and the NFL Direct TV is that a subscription to the Athletic doesn't cost nearly as much as the latter. And you're screwing over people who make a whole lot less than the sports they cover.

That was my point.
I don’t see the difference.
But, that’s Just opinion or perspective I guess.
Either way, it doesn’t mean much.

 

[Memento]

That was my point.
I don’t see the difference.
But, that’s Just opinion or perspective I guess.
Either way, it doesn’t mean much.

Fair enough. And I apologize to you and everyone else that I got short. It's something that means a lot to me, and I do apologize.

 

[fearsomefour]

Fair enough. And I apologize to you and everyone else that I got short. It's something that means a lot to me, and I do apologize.

No need to apologize.
I wasn’t offended at all
Just asking.

 

[fearsomefour]

Fair enough. And I apologize to you and everyone else that I got short. It's something that means a lot to me, and I do apologize.

I do have a sort in of funny story about related stuff way back before the internet made such things tougher.
I was in a band and we had a little regional record deal with Mystic Records.
We agreed to such and such amount of albums (vinyl) and tapes. No CDs and no colored vinyl or special stuff.
We released it and did our west coast gigs etc.
Nothing came of it or course.
About a year later I was in a record store in San Diego and was looking at the import section and low and behold there was a white vinyl Japanese import of our record!!
So, the label printed color record and did exports against our contract.
We could have sold 100,000 copies in Japan and had no idea (that did not happen of course, haha).
Just funny how easy it was to get ripped off then and how easy it is now.

 

[Zodi]

So about our punter eh

Hekker has been consistent for the most part. And is it common for a punter to be voted captain almost a decade in a row? He needs to retire as a Ram.

 

[blackbart]

And the other Athletic articles being posted here are wrong as well. And if it's something made policy, if it takes away content here, so what? This is still, by far, the best Rams site - the best sports site - out there, and having to fork over money to the Athletic is a pittance compared to...say, buying a Direct TV package? There's all the content on all the sports you could ever think about on that site, and it doesn't cost much to pay for it.

And as I said, the writers having their works pillaged is something, as a writer, that I can't get behind. These writers work their asses off on content that they care about. These aren't your average sports bloggers; these guys research the absolute hell out of their subjects, get quotes from inside sources that actually share relevant info, and are most certainly a cut above.

Imagine yourself writing a fantastic article that you only get paid for via clicks on the article's site. Now imagine Joe Blows from down the street posting said article on his own website. Wouldn't that be infuriating?

And I'm willing to bet that Jourdan does read this site on occasion; most of the people involved with the Rams do.

Maybe they should be better at negotiating terms for their work. Once it’s on the public network it’s public.

 

[Memento]

I do have a sort in of funny story about related stuff way back before the internet made such things tougher.
I was in a band and we had a little regional record deal with Mystic Records.
We agreed to such and such amount of albums (vinyl) and tapes. No CDs and no colored vinyl or special stuff.
We released it and did our west coast gigs etc.
Nothing came of it or course.
About a year later I was in a record store in San Diego and was looking at the import section and low and behold there was a white vinyl Japanese import of our record!!
So, the label printed color record and did exports against our contract.
We could have sold 100,000 copies in Japan and had no idea (that did not happen of course, haha).
Just funny how easy it was to get ripped off then and how easy it is now.

Man, that sucks that you got ripped off like that. Creative jobs like writing, music, and art tend to be cutthroat. Sucks that you completely got screwed over by Mystic Records.

 

[1maGoh]

Meh.... It's the nature of the beast. As a writer I understand you have a connection to it which is fine, but it's writing and on the internet and if somebody purchased the content it's their right to do with it what they see fit.

That's the problem with making sites that have pieces you have to pay for, the whole industry is out of date and most of the time now they are hacks that exaggerate and make things up. If they go the way of the dodo so be it, independent journalism that succeeds with legit and substantiated content is starting to be the trend now.

The problem with your theory here is you didn't purchase the content. You purchased the right to view the content. You don't own the writer's words and you can't just do whatever you want with them. It's not any different than buying a paperback book or a newspaper. USA today can't walk outside and buy a New York Times and then reprint it word for word. Penguin can't buy something published by Tor and then reprint it word for word. We can't buy a subscription to the Athletic and then reprint it word for word. When you write a research paper you have to cite the sources you used both because you need to prove you didn't make shit up and because of copyright law. You can't just do whatever you want with other people's written work.

 

[fearsomefour]

Man, that sucks that you got ripped off like that. Creative jobs like writing, music, and art tend to be cutthroat. Sucks that you completely got screwed over by Mystic Records.

Sports is another one.
The vast majority make $0 and a very few make a ton.
Sadly, that was one of a few such stories.
But we would have made very little money anyway.
I remember Rob Halford (Judas Priest) saying they came off their biggest tour ever.....something like 10 or 12 months of playing 10,000 seaters and having no profit at the end of the tour.
Something is wrong there....

 

[Corbin]

The problem with your theory here is you didn't purchase the content. You purchased the right to view the content. You don't own the writer's words and you can't just do whatever you want with them. It's not any different than buying a paperback book or a newspaper. USA today can't walk outside and buy a New York Times and then reprint it word for word. Penguin can't buy something published by Tor and then reprint it word for word. We can't buy a subscription to the Athletic and then reprint it word for word. When you write a research paper you have to cite the sources you used both because you need to prove you didn't make shit up and because of copyright law. You can't just do whatever you want with other people's written work.

So you’re telling me if you buy a CD and give it to your friend to play in his car that it is wrong? Or a video game? Or movie? It’s all the same, intelectual property and you have the right to do what you want with it as long as you aren’t trying to profit from it etc. What do you think a user agreement means etc etc?

Legally you can do it, I don’t give a shit about morally because nobody else pays my bills to dictate what I should do and what I shouldn’t.

 

[Mackeyser]

So... um... Johnny Hekker...*looks around*

I hear he... uh... punts or something...

 

[XXXIVwin]

Legally you can do it

No, I don't believe that's correct, it is not legal to reproduce content from stuff that's behind a paywall site. That's in violation of the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act).

A better example would be a major movie released in a theatre. No, it is not legal for someone to create a bootleg video of the movie, and then share it with their friends. The movie studio released the movie only under certain conditions: to be viewed (a) for a fee and (b) in a specific manner. Same with the Athletic-- their content is meant to be viewed only by those who pay the subscription fee, then get the app to view their content.

So yes, I believe it is illegal to copy and paste articles from the Athletic. (Not like someone would get busted for doing it just once, but if it became the norm around here, I wouldn't be surprised if ROD got a "cease and desist" warning from the Athletic. Apparently the Athletic is very protective of their stuff and issues warnings frequently).

FWIW, I think Jourdan Rodrigue is a very talented and hard-working reporter. I rarely pay for these things, but her work is so good that I decided to fork over a few bucks and subscribe to the Athletic. If all her Articles were reproduced here, and I got to read them for free, would I bother to pay for a subscription? No, probably not.

So yes, it's legal to buy a CD and play it in the car for a friend. But no, it is not legal to go watch a movie in a theatre and make a bootleg video.

 

[XXXIVwin]

So... um... Johnny Hekker...*looks around*

I hear he... uh... punts or something...

And the Bojorquez thread turned into a pissing match about military branches.

Punter threads are prone to hijacking, I guess

 

[PhillyRam]

So has it been reported what his pay cut was, cap figure, etc ..

 

[badnews]

Let's stay on topic:

Johnny Hekker. He's a helluva a punter and I look forward to watching him pin teams back and occasionally throw a pass here or there... and on that note, anyone know where I can catch good streams of Rams games online?
Yeah, I'm all about not paying for it. I know, I know, it's just wrong to not pay for something when that's how starving billionaires put food on the table...

As for Jourdan, if she was releasing these independently and living off those subscriptions, sure... I'd understand. But if the Atlantic wants my money, I'm going to need to know it's worth subscribing to... and since times are hard and pockets keep getting deeper, I can't afford it. So I should just get by on the cheap, generic and mostly useless "free" articles.

@Memento I do understand your position and I think you make some valid points... but I also think it's kinda weird since we are all living through a transition where internet content being shared (legally or not) has been part of the culture.

Hell, I remember my dad renting a VCR just so he could "illegally" make a copy of Ghostbusters, the Karate Kid and Taps for us to have. It wasn't hurting anyone then either.
I honestly believe the Atlantic would make more money (maybe Jourdan would see a piece of that?) if more people like myself could see that it's worth it.. but I digress...