Jared Goff vs Vikings (Analysis) ~Matt Waldman

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I was gonna avoid this but hey.

I think the playcalling let Goff down more than he did. And that goes back to when I said McVay is protecting Goff. That game was a perfect example.

But too me one of the differences in this game came down to how each QB handled pressure. Keenum was able to handle it and complete throws Goff on the other hand avoided pressure but couldn’t complete any throws and on one play had Gurley open but fell down on his own while trying to throw. So while his poise in the pocket has been good it’s been outside the pocket where he struggles and was supposedly a strong point of his.
 
Goff is NOT a "2 read" QB. I had a front and center view of him scanning the entire field on Sunday...and he did that with a LOT of pressure coming at him. I saw him go through what looked to be a 3 or 4 read progression and come BACK to an option. Goff keeps his eyes downfield. Even after taking a helmet to the chin. That is key. You can't teach that kind of thing. Goff was the least of our worries last Sunday. The play calls were confusing in a lot of situations, but we were also just beat on both lines. That is a good team in MN.
 
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Great breakdown. Goff looked good against that awesome Defense. Our WR's and TE's didn't really give him the game he needed to give them a chance to win. I think our TE and Rookie WR had issues because they're young and we're asking them to do a lot. Not to mention TE's really take 3 to 4 years to develop, and while some of you are hard on Higbee i think he's having a solid year and he's only going to get better. He just needs to learn to hang on to the ball over the middle.
 
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Goff is NOT a "2 read" QB. I had a front and center view of him scanning the entire field on Sunday...and he did that with a LOT of pressure coming at him. I saw him go through what looked to be a 3 or 4 read progression and come BACK to an option. Goff keeps his eyes downfield. Even after taking a helmet to the chin. That is key. You can't teach that kind of thing. Goff was the least of our worries last Sunday. The play calls were confusing in a lot of situations, but we were also just beat on both lines. That is a good team in MN.
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I don’t think no one is saying Goff doesn’t go through his progression I stated a while back that McVays offense for right now is a 2 read offense not that Goff can’t go through progressions, I got a lot of heat for saying that but then Nfl writers had a story about how Goff and Wentz are both benefiting from it. It’s not a knock on Goff it’s just how McVay is choosing to simplify things for him
 
SteezyEndo said:
How so? Where did that logic come from?
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Um because it's true, and i did some digging to show you.

I based it on getting around 800 or more yards receiving or 8 or more TD's on the year.

Jordan Reed - didn't break out until his third season
Greg Olsen - 5 years
Tyler Eifert - 3rd year
Kyle Rudolph - 6th year
Jason Witten - 3rd year
Zach Ertz - 3rd year.

TE's that broke out in their rookie years

Jimmy Graham
Gronk

What do both of these players have in common? They have arguably two of the best QB's that have ever played the game throwing them ball. Not to mention they are freaks of nature.

Next.
 
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Jacobarch said:
Um because it's true.

Jordan Reed - didn't break out until his third season
Greg Olsen - 5 years
Tyler Eifert - 3rd year
Kyle Rudolph - 6th year
Jason Witten - 3rd year
Zach Ertz - 3rd year.

TE's that broke out in their rookie years

Jimmy Graham
Gronk

What do both of these players have in common? They have arguably two of the best QB's that have ever played the game throwing them ball. Not to mention they are freaks of nature.

Next.
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You can't compare to others whom might be a little more gifted otherwise your assuming that will be the outcome for Higbee. Do you think a Mcvay has 3-7 years to sit around on a developing TE whom may not be the answer? That is costly, and ineffective. Also not to mention Higbee is supposed to be the role model of the TE core on this team and he isn't proving anything but subpar gameplay thus far. I am sure our rookies can get an edge over him and make his presence obsolete if he doesn't fix them hands.
 
SteezyEndo said:
You can't compare to others whom might be a little more gifted otherwise your assuming that will be the outcome for Higbee. Do you think a Mcvay has 3-7 years to sit around on a developing TE whom may not be the answer? That is costly, and ineffective.
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Just basing it on a pretty simple fact that players take time to develop. Yes McVay has some time to develop players, I don't know why you would think otherwise. Not to mention, TE's have a much bigger role than your average WR, they have to inline block, block 1 on 1, Pass protect, Run routes and so on. It's usually the reason they take longer to develop.
You're not just arguing with me, you're arguing with John Gruden as well, and I'm going to trust his word over yours mate.

And I think I proved my point by showing you actual facts/stats.
 
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Jacobarch said:
Just basing it on a pretty simple fact that players take time to develop. Yes McVay has some time to develop players, I don't know why you would think otherwise. Not to mention, TE's have a much bigger role than your average WR, they have to inline block, block 1 on 1, Pass protect, Run routes and so on. It's usually the reason they take longer to develop.
You're not just arguing with me, you're arguing with John Gruden as well, and I'm going to trust his word over yours mate.

And I think I proved my point by showing you actual facts/stats.
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Ok and by your logic we should of kept Lance Handbricks for a few more years, because he still needed extra time to develop. Got it. If I told you I was Helen Keller I would of said you are probably right, but luckily I can see for myself. You got your opinion on Higbee, and I got mine.
 
SteezyEndo said:
Ok and by your logic we should of kept Lance Handbricks for a few more years, because he still needed extra time to develop. Got it. If I told you I was Helen Keller I would of said you are probably right, but luckily I can see for myself. You got your opinion on Higbee, and I got mine.
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I think anytime you give a player more than 3 years to develop and he doesn't really improve much than you can cut bait. I'm just not ready to write off Higbee after a year and a half of playing. He's also improved this year from last.
So I'm not really sure what you're getting at...

PS I'm not saying it's going to take a TE 7 years to develop. Just showing you the numbers and proved to you ON AVERAGE that it takes more than a year or two for a Tight End position to develop into a good player.

Hopefully now you understand what I was trying to get across
 
dieterbrock said:
No QB would have made that play
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Not sure we're talking about the same play. The one I was watching, at least 25 starters and 10 backups would have made that play. Some QBs take a quick peripheral check of how many rushers (which is often FAR different than pre-snap) and the field (maybe DB backs WAY back or falls down, for example) before going through progressions. This happens in a split second.

I can imagine many of us at home were expecting a big gain from Gurley when he releases into flat, only be gasp and be cautiously optimistic a long throw under tremendous pressure was a good choice.

I like Goff and have high hopes. But progress means you're not perfect and have things to improve. This play was clearly an example of that. Claiming "Not QB would have made that play" is thinking with your heart.
 
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SteezyEndo said:
Ok and by your logic we should of kept Lance Handbricks for a few more years, because he still needed extra time to develop. Got it. If I told you I was Helen Keller I would of said you are probably right, but luckily I can see for myself. You got your opinion on Higbee, and I got mine.
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I liked Hendricks, but he was with Rams for 5 seasons, best two were his first two. Hendricks comparison is faulty
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Thanks for posting this thread and Goff videos.

My observation from the videos and the game is that Goff is getting the job done; everyone else needs to step up a bit. Like, catch the damn ball!

I will say this; gone are the days of the Same Old Sorry Ass Rams; and they won't be coming back for a long, long time!
 
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Not sure we're talking about the same play. The one I was watching, at least 25 starters and 10 backups would have made that play. Some QBs take a quick peripheral check of how many rushers (which is often FAR different than pre-snap) and the field (maybe DB backs WAY back or falls down, for example) before going through progressions. This happens in a split second.

I can imagine many of us at home were expecting a big gain from Gurley when he releases into flat, only be gasp and be cautiously optimistic a long throw under tremendous pressure was a good choice.

I like Goff and have high hopes. But progress means you're not perfect and have things to improve. This play was clearly an example of that. Claiming "Not QB would have made that play" is thinking with your heart.
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Its the same play, Gurley is all alone out in the flat and would have easily picked up 25+
But the game isnt played frame by frame like the pictures show.
He took a 5 step drop and the line broke down. Only in pictures does he have time to look off. The line got blown up and he got rid of the ball.
 
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Jacobarch said:
I think anytime you give a player more than 3 years to develop and he doesn't really improve much than you can cut bait. I'm just not ready to write off Higbee after a year and a half of playing. He's also improved this year from last.
So I'm not really sure what you're getting at...
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Problem is though you can cut corners to make it seem like. Lets say for the sake of argument Travis Wilson, obviously didn't shine much during the off-season or pre-season, but Higbee had a better showing. I think McVay only kept Higbee because he is the older TE on this team, maybe he felt he was going to be an impact player for the younger guys. Problem is Higbee isn't who we thought he was. Hell Travis Wilson could of been a better developmental player, but obviously was cut. I say we mix in the TE's a bit, and Higbee should be playing a prove it year.
 
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