It's fair to call Goff elite now

[jrry32]

This is another one of those incorrect narratives. I’m thinking of Jared’s rollout throw to the back of the end zone to Kupp, another one to Woods in the Niner game, an escape with a perfect dump off touch to Gurley....etc.

No problem.

People do shaft Goff with regard to throwing on the run. Compared to the rest of his game, it's a weakness. But he's not bad at it. He's just not amazing at it like he is throwing from the pocket.

 

[LesBaker]

The defense gets no credit for making a total of three stops in the entirety of that game (counting the fumble in the first half). Don't complain to me that I'm not crediting the defense enough (and try to use "nonsense") when they gave up 45 points. They don't get credit because they didn't let the Saints score on literally every drive. Believing they should is setting the bar ridiculously low.

Disingenuous is complaining to me that I'm not giving the defense enough credit in a game where they gave up 45 points and put us in a 35-14 hole in the first half. No, I'm not giving them credit for the comeback. The least they could do is get two stops.

LOL. Yes!!!!!

The defense only influenced the comeback by having the Saints kickoff after scoring to give the ball back to the Rams high powered offense LOL.

The defense gave up 45 points, almost 500 yards, 141 rushing and 346 passing, didn't record a sack, gave up THIRTY ONE first downs, gave up 7 of 12 third down opportunities and 2 out of 2 fourth down opportunities, gave up drives of 75 yards for a td THREE fucking times one of which was in the 4th quarter late to seal the game on a 72 yard pass play and gave up another drive for 87 yards.

An average day by an average defense would have seen a double digit win by the Rams.

It was a debacle on that side of the ball.

 

[Mackeyser]

Statistics AND ring to be elite.

The only QB that does not apply to is Marino. He was elite without a ring. Sometimes I do question that even.

Marino threw for 5000 yards in an era when 3000 was a Pro Bowl season. He still may be the best pure thrower ever.

 

[Corbin]

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Guys you just can't put this definition in a box and put a bow on it!
There's a group of QB's that have won plenty of playoffs and championships for that matter, who I'm sure the consensus will say aren't "elite"
Eli Manning, Trent Dilfer to name a few..

How many Super Bowls does Eli Manning have? How many Super Bowls does Jared Goff have? How many playoff wins does Eli have? How many playoffs wins does Jared have? Unlike Brady or Rodgers, Eli has hit a cliff now. Doesn’t change the fact for that time period he whooped peoples asses.



Your not seriously going to sit here and proclaim Goff an elite QB with 0 playoff wins are you?

 

[FarNorth]

How many Super Bowls does Eli Manning have? How many Super Bowls does Jared Goff have? How many playoff wins does Eli have? How many playoffs wins does Jared have? Unlike Brady or Rodgers, Eli has hit a cliff now. Doesn’t change the fact for that time period he whooped peoples asses.



Your not seriously going to sit here and proclaim Goff an elite QB with 0 playoff wins are you?

Yes.

 

[Corbin]

Yes.

 

[FarNorth]

Your not seriously going to sit here and proclaim Goff an elite QB with 0 playoff wins are you?[/QUOTE]

Yes, with the quote this time.

 

[Loyal]

Holy cr@p, we need the game to start, or else....

View: https://imgur.com/a/vtBETYn

 

[Loyal]

People do shaft Goff with regard to throwing on the run. Compared to the rest of his game, it's a weakness. But he's not bad at it. He's just not amazing at it like he is throwing from the pocket.

Legit criticism of him. I cringe sometimes when I see him rolling out...but every once in a while he throws an insane TD tp Kupp in the end zone...lol

 

[Loyal]

Marino threw for 5000 yards in an era when 3000 was a Pro Bowl season. He still may be the best pure thrower ever.

YOU SONOFA !!! -Bob Griese

 

[jrry32]

How many Super Bowls does Eli Manning have? How many Super Bowls does Jared Goff have? How many playoff wins does Eli have? How many playoffs wins does Jared have? Unlike Brady or Rodgers, Eli has hit a cliff now. Doesn’t change the fact for that time period he whooped peoples asses.



Your not seriously going to sit here and proclaim Goff an elite QB with 0 playoff wins are you?

That seems kind of arbitrary. Peyton Manning was an elite QB before he won his first playoff game. Let's say Goff wins playoff games this year. Does that make him an elite QB? Let's say that the Rams lose our first game in the playoffs 48-45, but Goff goes 25/28 for 400 yards and 5 TDs. Does losing that playoff game make him any less great?

 

[Mackeyser]

I outright called Goff elite like 5 weeks ago way before this notion was even a topic for discussion and I’m still flummoxed as to why it’s a question.

Goff is elite and both the stats and the eyeballs agree.

 

[Ramzheart]

How many Super Bowls does Eli Manning have? How many Super Bowls does Jared Goff have? How many playoff wins does Eli have? How many playoffs wins does Jared have? Unlike Brady or Rodgers, Eli has hit a cliff now. Doesn’t change the fact for that time period he whooped peoples asses.



Your not seriously going to sit here and proclaim Goff an elite QB with 0 playoff wins are you?

No, actually I'm not but I don't think playoff wins, championships that much to do with it!
So are you saying Eli was elite at one time? Is

How many Super Bowls does Eli Manning have? How many Super Bowls does Jared Goff have? How many playoff wins does Eli have? How many playoffs wins does Jared have? Unlike Brady or Rodgers, Eli has hit a cliff now. Doesn’t change the fact for that time period he whooped peoples asses.



Your not seriously going to sit here and proclaim Goff an elite QB with 0 playoff wins are you?

So you're saying Eli was elite at one time? Yes he had some dominant teams for a few years but I wouldn't say he ever played at an elite level. I guess that means you'd take Eli at his best over Jared right now then?!
I think QB's can have elite games but that's different from being elite. IMO, to be elite I think you have to show consistant dominance at your position and sustainability.
When you're looking at a players career when it's all said and done, Of course you should see playoff wins and championships!

I think Goff is playing some elite ball right now. I can see the reluctance to say that because of the sample size and when he has a bad game you don't get the benefit of the doubt the way a Rodgers and Brees would because they have maintained it over a period of time.

 

[Legatron4]

That seems kind of arbitrary. Peyton Manning was an elite QB before he won his first playoff game. Let's say Goff wins playoff games this year. Does that make him an elite QB? Let's say that the Rams lose our first game in the playoffs 48-45, but Goff goes 25/28 for 400 yards and 5 TDs. Does losing that playoff game make him any less great?

Speaking of Peyton, he barely ever threw on the run because he got rid of it so quick. And when he did, he would throw a lot of ducks. I think that’s an overrated attribute. But Goff is still good at it.

 

[Ellard80]

Mobility and throwing on the run are not very important... unless were talking about college football and I missed it.

 

[majrleaged]

Oh..so the defense didn't get any stops that gave the offense the ball back to give Goff that opportunity??? NONSENSE!!! This is a team game and the defense helped turn it around because they stopped the Saints offense and got the ball back to the Ram offense. I know no QB is perfect. I've been watching QBs for some 42 years jrry32.

This is about Goff being elite...and I'm AL FOR him getting there. I'm just of the opinion he's not there yet. I see him as an EXCELLENT QB on the rise.

As I said before, looked like the team came all the way back and took a breath. Lost the edge that got them there. I think he and the team kind of laid an egg at the end of the Saints game. As far as elite, it is a little early for that label. If he keeps it up he will be. Playing at this level for years is what elite is. He is playing great, but he has room to improve. I have seen him come thru last year but his team totally let him down. He has had pressure on him in a number of games and come thru. Part of his ability to have the game winning drive at the end of games is the entire team coming together and learning how to make that happen. This includes the play calling, which at the end of games when we need to run out the clock or have a winning drive has either got to cute or to conservative. Coming back to win and holding on to games is always the team. Brady especially early in his career when he was dueling with Manning had a superior defense or we would be talking Manning as the Goat. But I digress. I guess my point is I am totally happy with Goff. He is not a problem. He is a head of schedule and still on the up swing. The team while it is 9 - 1 still has some issues and if those get worked out, we can count a SB.

 

[Rams43]

I outright called Goff elite like 5 weeks ago way before this notion was even a topic for discussion and I’m still flummoxed as to why it’s a question.

Goff is elite and both the stats and the eyeballs agree.

I love your answer, Mackeyser. Bonus points for being pithy. Lol.

I’ll say this. I wouldn’t trade Goff for any other QB playing in ‘18, given his youth and projected 12-15 year future.

I think that that is one way to define the term elite.

 

[bluecoconuts]

I'm not sure why this post isn't pages of everyone agreeing but here we are...

 

[majrleaged]

How many Super Bowls does Eli Manning have? How many Super Bowls does Jared Goff have? How many playoff wins does Eli have? How many playoffs wins does Jared have? Unlike Brady or Rodgers, Eli has hit a cliff now. Doesn’t change the fact for that time period he whooped peoples asses.



Your not seriously going to sit here and proclaim Goff an elite QB with 0 playoff wins are you?

Eli is one of the most inconsistent qb to ever win a SB. He won Sb cause of his defense. He could just loft it up to plaxico and a fluky reception. No he has never been elite and should not be in HOF. His second SB he made a great pass, but even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

 

[Corbin]

That seems kind of arbitrary. Peyton Manning was an elite QB before he won his first playoff game. Let's say Goff wins playoff games this year. Does that make him an elite QB? Let's say that the Rams lose our first game in the playoffs 48-45, but Goff goes 25/28 for 400 yards and 5 TDs. Does losing that playoff game make him any less great?

What's a bit arbitrary is comparing Jared Goff in being in the league for 2 years worth of games to Peyton Manning after 6 years in the NFL. Peyton Manning's first 3 season weren't Earth shattering either which is fairer to compare to Goff's career so far in any sense. Manning's INT %, TD %, and comp % were pretty pedestrian at best. Where has Goff's been at as a Career? And the answer is yes regardless if you want to or not wins or losses are on the shoulders of the QB regardless if it's fair or not.

No, actually I'm not but I don't think playoff wins, championships that much to do with it!
So are you saying Eli was elite at one time? Is

So you're saying Eli was elite at one time? Yes he had some dominant teams for a few years but I wouldn't say he ever played at an elite level. I guess that means you'd take Eli at his best over Jared right now then?!
I think QB's can have elite games but that's different from being elite. IMO, to be elite I think you have to show consistant dominance at your position and sustainability.
When you're looking at a players career when it's all said and done, Of course you should see playoff wins and championships!

I think Goff is playing some elite ball right now. I can see the reluctance to say that because of the sample size and when he has a bad game you don't get the benefit of the doubt the way a Rodgers and Brees would because they have maintained it over a period of time.

I wouldn't say Eli was elite (lol obviously) for a career but there was for damned sure a time when Eli had an elite stretch where he was clutch for his team and bailed them out multiple times at the end of the season and leading into the playoffs leading to both those Super Bowls especially that first one. Either leading clutch drives for TD's or field goals to cap off a game to be out of reach for the win.

Eli is one of the most inconsistent qb to ever win a SB. He won Sb cause of his defense. He could just loft it up to plaxico and a fluky reception. No he has never been elite and should not be in HOF. His second SB he made a great pass, but even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

Eli has been very inconsistent in his career, there is zero debate on that and that's not what is being debated here. He had stretches where he was the Giants everything those two seasons. What's being debated is everybody is crowning Goff calling him elite where he is barely removed from being 0-6 as a starter and horrible in almost every aspect of his game. Now all of a sudden he is the best QB in the league? By the same standards I've read in this thread Mahomes is the best QB in the league right now and it's not close. Is that accurate?

How about we wait a bit until defenses figure out ways to challenge this offense? or actually do something meaningful in the playoffs?