Fiske Defensive Rookie of the Month

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Mackeyser said:
i dunno. Bobby Brown and Tyler Davis are improving each week.
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But they aren't big run stuffing DTs. We need some beef in the middle of our defense. Not saying we don't have more important positions of need. But it's something that our FO needs to address
 
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HE WITH HORNS said:
I was including the two 2nd round picks as the equivalent of a first.
Basically, a late 1st round pick usually costs a 2nd round pick, and another 2nd if you are trying to trade up.

People in the media were saying we way overpaid for him, but he's shown he was worth a 1st round pick so far, and lots of teams are probably regretting not taking him.
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Yeah, it was two 2nd round picks. But we got a higher 2nd round pick for it so the net is we lose one second round pick. Likely to be upper 40's/low 50's. And a 5th.

Some thought it was too steep a price. But now its looking like a steal. He's playing like a first round pick. Verse is easily the best defensive player in this first round rookie class. Fiske is easily the best second round rookie. Better than the first rounders. Rams sure knew what they were doing.
 
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Jacobarch said:
But they aren't big run stuffing DTs. We need some beef in the middle of our defense. Not saying we don't have more important positions of need. But it's something that our FO needs to address
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What is Bobby Brown if not a big run stuffing DT? He's certainly not a pass rusher.

Per PFF, there are 67 DTs in the league that have gotten 50% or more of their teams defensive snaps. Brown is ranked 11th in the league in run defense grade.
 
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DzRams said:
What is Bobby Brown if not a big run stuffing DT? He's certainly not a pass rusher.

Per PFF, there are 67 DTs in the league that have gotten 50% or more of their teams defensive snaps. Brown is ranked 11th in the league in run defense grade.
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Rams are ranked 27th in rushing yards allowed. Allowing 4.6 per carry. Ranked 25th in total defense. That's great he's ranked 11th in the league, he's also ranked 11th in snap counts on defense with only 370 snaps out of 16 players, He's a rotational player. Troy Reeder who's been out for what, 4 or 5 weeks now, has 372 snaps this season 2 more than Brown.

Here's also the NFC defensive line weight rankings. Rams near the bottom.

Lions251112
Seahawks25024
Vikings246314
Giants24643
Cardinals24556
Redskins24561
Saints244716
Falcons24288
Bears242911
Packers242107
Eagles242115
49ers240129
Rams2401315
Panthers2381410
Cowboys2371513
Buccaneers233162
 
Jacobarch said:
Rams are ranked 27th in rushing yards allowed. Allowing 4.6 per carry. Ranked 25th in total defense. That's great he's ranked 11th in the league, he's also ranked 11th in snap counts on defense with only 370 snaps out of 16 players, He's a rotational player. Troy Reeder who's been out for what, 4 or 5 weeks now, has 372 snaps this season 2 more than Brown.

Here's also the NFC defensive line weight rankings. Rams near the bottom.

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Lions251112
Seahawks25024
Vikings246314
Giants24643
Cardinals24556
Redskins24561
Saints244716
Falcons24288
Bears242911
Packers242107
Eagles242115
49ers240129
Rams2401315
Panthers2381410
Cowboys2371513
Buccaneers233162
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Fair point. Is it possible that we're ranked near the bottom in rushing yards allowed for reasons other than Brown?

Our ILBs aren't the best, our defensive front as a whole is small, and the defense as a whole has struggled with missed tackles the entire year. Those would be more immediate reasons why we've been bad at run defense.

All pure run stuffing DTs are rotational players. Brown has one less run defense snap than Dexter Lawrence and 11 fewer than T'Vondre Sweat.

It sounds like what you're asking for is another good all around DT - one who plays 70-80% of the snaps and is a good run stuffer and pass rusher...say like Kobie Turner?
 
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Fair point. Is it possible that we're ranked near the bottom in rushing yards allowed for reasons other than Brown?

Our ILBs aren't the best, our defensive front as a whole is small, and the defense as a whole has struggled with missed tackles the entire year. Those would be more immediate reasons why we've been bad at run defense.

All pure run stuffing DTs are rotational players. Brown has one less run defense snap than Dexter Lawrence and 11 fewer than T'Vondre Sweat.

It sounds like what you're asking for is another good all around DT - one who plays 70-80% of the snaps and is a good run stuffer and pass rusher...say like Kobie Turner?
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No doubt it's a unit problem and not a single player problem. Undersized Dline, undersized LB's, and personnel / scheme that is made to get after the QB. Issue is, once again the NFL is changing. In 2024 (to this point) teams are running the ball more, in fact by such a wide margin rushing attempts are the highest they've been since 2014, just looked it up lol. It makes sense, defenses got faster to adapt to a passing league. Now offenses are focusing on Bigger Linemen and having a 2 running back approach to wear down those smaller dlines. It's forever evolving and if the Rams want to stay relevant we have to change with the times.

I'm no coach so lets get that out of the way, but the rams struggle against good rushing teams because they're light in the box. It's going to continue to happen until our FO fixes that. It's going to get even worse if they don't approach this issue next year in the draft and FA, as teams are catching on and more teams are going to do it. As Sean McVay said, "it's the ultimate copy cat league."
 
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Drafts like the past two are why I am so glad we are not in the F them picks mode and I hope we never will be again.
 
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jayden daniels is gonna win rookie of the year...and he should...

i dont really care...

we got a great inside d-lineman who is off the charts silly good...

go rams brass for recognizing...

go rams brass for getting the pick...

go rams

slo
 
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HE WITH HORNS said:
It almost always goes to a QB.

In a fair game, Puka would have won last year.
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There is an Offensive AND Defensive Rookie of the Year.

Nacua finished 2nd to Stroud.
Kobie Turner was 3rd behand Anderson and Carter.
 
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