Bears trade out of #1

[jrry32]

He's Tua with a better arm. Might succeed, I mean who knows, but just because teams are desperate doesn't mean it makes sense to put a short signal caller that high.

Brees went round 2 which was appropriate even though he had plenty of film of throwing with anticipation. Not being able to see the field matters when you're splitting hairs on those top guys.

Very different player from Tua. I don't care that he's short. Just like I didn't care about Aaron Donald's lack of size. Young played behind a large OL in college in a pro-style system and saw the field plenty well. He plays like Russell Wilson. He's not quite as athletic as prime Russ, but he has better field vision (as Wilson has always struggled reading the middle of the field). The guy has "it." Natural instincts, mature beyond his years, poise, and a ton of smarts.

 

[jrry32]

Saw that Itah game. He wasn’t even the starting QB opening game.

Yes, he was.

 

[CGI_Ram]

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[So Ram]

Yes, he was.

You’re absolutely right.Trying to recall another game like it where a QB wasn’t starting. Maybe it was a season before that 2021?
He freaking couldn’t be stopped late in the game either way.
It was like he was 2 different QB’s in the first half to the 2nd half however it was. Still not all that impressed.

The next week he has a game like this. Not a NFL(winning)QB for at least a couple seasons.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore/_/gameId/401403871

 

[Tano]

Richardson reminds me of a Josh Allen coming out of college with worst decision making and horrible accuracy.

However, like Josh Allen, if he matures and gets a great QB whisperer, he could turn into a great QB a la Josh Allen

In other words, he has a very low floor and an extremely high ceiling.

Is that worth it for a high 1st round pick?

Don't know.

 

[Merlin]

I would rather take a shot on the intelligent ball distributor types who don't have great raw tools, the Brady and Brees types, because you can take one of them every year until you hit while also building the rest of your roster. There's quite a few QBs in this draft that go outside that top group and have a mix of different strengths. Take one that your OC feels a nice vibe with, or that you really like his competitive drive, and then take another one the next year and year after that until you get one you can believe in.

These feast/famine high end lottery ticket types, for every Allen there are a bunch of failures or guys who cap out where they can't put a team over the top in the biggest games or even develop the mental side enough to succeed at the NFL level. This ain't college. Defenses are fucking smart, they are well prepared, they will take away what you do well at some point even if you're a great runner which Richardson certainly is. So hard pass for me.

 

[CGI_Ram]

No way I would draft Richardson #1. He is waaaay too boom or bust.

 

[oldnotdead]

I pretty much agree with Merlin. A QB in the draft is the ultimate crap shoot. A guy that might suck for 4 years then goes to a new team with a different system and he's gold. Goff showed he's a system dependent QB. In the right system he's a top 10 franchise QB1. That's why all these pundits saying the Lions need a QB are so full of shit. Trade away the guy they have been building the team around? One that has proven he can get them to a Super Bowl and probably win it? For what? A rookie that they would have to start all over again?

Holmes is no fool. He was a major force in getting the Rams to take Jared. He's always known exactly what he has in him. Goff proved in 2018 he can get a team to the Super Bowl. That loss in 2018 was primarily McVay getting out coached, the same way the Bengals got out coached in their loss. Don't forget that was the game where Gurley's arthritis became a real issue so McVay and Goff were without a running game and Kupp was out with an ACL. Goff took a lot of heat for that loss and it wasn't fair.

That said, it's why I keep saying if Tanner McKee drops to 36 the Rams need to take him. Give him a year to play backup to Stafford and polish his game. He's a perfect fit for McVays offense and could develop into a franchise QB. IMO he's the most complete QB in the draft for his arm talent and play as a pocket passer. He isn't a runner, but neither is Stafford. He's got a high IQ and understands how to read defenses. He's got a very high ceiling. As a second round pick they will be under no immediate pressure to play him as he develops behind Stafford. Otherwise they can get a QB that projects as a journeyman type player to be a long term backup and ride Stafford as long as he can play. But they can do that with McKee in the second round and have a potential starting QB1 when Stafford retires. There is no way I see Stafford playing beyond 3 more years max. I think one maybe two if he's lucky. That's why IMO getting a good QB2 this year is important and should be a priority. Or they will get into a bidding war for Burrows or Herbert in 2025. Both will probably be tagged though.

If the Rams take a late round backup QB2 I would expect them to take a QB in next year's draft. They will have the draft capital to do it. IMO that is probably a huge reason for what is happening this year. If Snead wheels and deals multiple picks next year to get a QB he will still have multiple picks remaining.

 

[Corbin]

If Fields continues to develop in the passing game it's a huge move for Bears. GM is either going to be a genius in a couple of years or an idiot.

Edit: Course with that amount of draft capital if Fields sucks this year they have the ammo to move up in 24 and get another QB. So as long as they don't draft terrible it's a win win for Bears.

And if Fields doesn't work out you've got a pretty good receiver to pair with an incoming rookie QB. One thing all the young successful QBs have had in the last few years is a stud WR to be paired with. One wonders what would have happened if the Bengals went with Sewell over Chase. Having Chase let Burrow spam the easy button at times which made his development that much easier.

Fields is a run first QB. They don’t generally last long in a season much less a career.

This deal is not a good one for the Bears imo.

They move all of the way to 9. They leave a lot of opportunity for teams to jump ahead of them in the draft and pick a player that the Bears are targeting.

I wouldn’t have made this trade so early. It would be funny if after all of the evals are done, the Panthers end up trading out of the #1 pick and get a better deal than they gave the Bears.

Fields is not the future.

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I think this is an amazing trade for the Bears and wouldnt be surprised if they still dump fields.
Carolina plays a rookie QB and who knows, they could end up with the worst record in football and the Bears get Caleb Williams.

The Bears are tanking for the next crop of QBs. Might as well load up at other positions where you don't need to be #1 this year.

Why all the hate on Fields? He’s too talented to dismiss so early in his career. Let’s see what he can do with some weapons. I personally love the move.

Corbin since you have watched both Fields and Stroud a lot which one do you think will make the better NFL QB?

~ArkyRamsFan~

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For those of you ‘for’ and ‘against’ the ‘running QB.’

Looks like he’s putting in the work and building a team.

 

[Corbin]

Carolina IMO will take Tanner McKee at #1. He's probably the most ready to play QB in the draft and has a very high ceiling. They need a QB1 to start as a rookie and McKee checks that box. All this stuff about Stroud is BS misinformation.

That said it's probably too much to give for McKee.

Carolina is going to draft Tanner McKee #1, he's the best most NFL ready QB in the draft.

Lol gotta love @oldnotdead ‘s takes! Always entertaining to read:

 

[Merlin]

That lumberjack story.

 

[Londoner]

That lumberjack story.

“He’s no longer the man I married”

 

[bubbaramfan]

OldNotDead is a lumberjack?

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

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For those of you ‘for’ and ‘against’ the ‘running QB.’

Looks like he’s putting in the work and building a team.

The inherent problem with the “running quarterback”, is that they aren’t usually good at both facets of the position. Once their legs go, or teams figure out how to contain them, they are not good enough to play from the pocket.

Aside from Warren Moon, maybe Randall Cunningham, and Russell Wilson, have we seen one that can legitimately play as a runner and a pocket passer? Technically Russ was more of a scrambler.

Most of the running QBs come from simplified offenses in college and never had to prove that they can handle an NFL offense. They end up playing in a simplified NFL offense that stops working as soon as their legs do.

So you may get 8 years of good running QB play like Cam Newton, or you could see them not reach their second contract like RG3.

I don’t think Fields can play QB if he cannot run.

 

[Psycho_X]

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For those of you ‘for’ and ‘against’ the ‘running QB.’

Looks like he’s putting in the work and building a team.

Bears and Lions will be an interesting rivalry to watch over the next few years. Both have been historically awful for the most part (minus a few Bears flashes) but both seem to be building something the "right way" at the moment. All comes down to that QB position though. Will Fields continue to grow while staying healthy and will Goff keep the reigns or get a case of the turnovers again and gets replaced by Hooker in a year? Both teams in position to become the new kings of the North with Rodgers gone and Vikings with choke master Cousins.

 

[Tano]

Lol gotta love @oldnotdead ‘s takes! Always entertaining to read:

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Hey - didn't you watch Men in Black - those are the news stories that are true

 

[Tano]

The inherent problem with the “running quarterback”, is that they aren’t usually good at both facets of the position. Once their legs go, or teams figure out how to contain them, they are not good enough to play from the pocket.

Aside from Warren Moon, maybe Randall Cunningham, and Russell Wilson, have we seen one that can legitimately play as a runner and a pocket passer? Technically Russ was more of a scrambler.

Most of the running QBs come from simplified offenses in college and never had to prove that they can handle an NFL offense. They end up playing in a simplified NFL offense that stops working as soon as their legs do.

So you may get 8 years of good running QB play like Cam Newton, or you could see them not reach their second contract like RG3.

I don’t think Fields can play QB if he cannot run.

I would put Moon and Cunningham in the scrambler catergory

They were pass first and run second

Fields Jackson Newton and Murray are/were always one read and go QBs. They don't last one their legs are shot

 

[Allen2McVay]

“He’s no longer the man I married”

 

[dieterbrock]

I would put Moon and Cunningham in the scrambler catergory

Oh heck no.
I dont think of Moon as a runner at all, although I dont know what his college career was like.
I'd say Aaron Rodgers and Moon were similar, Rodgers with better wheels
Cunningham on the other hand couldnt throw a lick, was purely an RB playing QB in his first few years. Became a pretty decent passer. As good as Vick and Jackson were/are as runners, I dont think any QB compares to Cunningham in his early days

 

[Flatlyner]

Lol gotta love @oldnotdead ‘s takes! Always entertaining to read:

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McKee just barely even got drafted, and rightfully so IMO. I'm not sure what anyone really saw in him personally. Sure, he's worth a late pick dart throw, but not more.