2023 Coaches fired thread

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WestCoastRam said:
Yeah, I'd say Quinn and Johnson def tops with a couple other guys I'm not sure of to round out the top 3. Prob offensive guys as there's a trend in the league towards offensive coaches so you don't have your QB (often a draft pick) relearning a new offense every other year when guys get promoted.

I will say, sounds like people will sell their kids to get a shot at Washington job. Loads of cap space, picks, and seemingly new and good ownership.
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Is it finally time for bienneme to get a turn?
 
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den-the-coach said:
Tepper now has fired a college HC & a HC who came to him with a winning record.

Up next I guess is a high profile coordinator.
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Who would want that job?
WestCoastRam said:
Looking ahead... if Morris can take the adjustments the D has made during the bye and get more of this kind of production (like the last two games), he'll get some serious play as a head coach this year with 7-8 HC jobs available. It sure looks like Tepper is gonna go with an outside hire so that means Evero might be available as a DC. He is amazing, was cooking early in the year with the Panther's D and absolutely destroyed teams last year with Denver D (only reason they were competitive). Would absolutely love to have him back.

Additionally, I suspect a role for Brown can be found on the offensive side of the ball. But both he and Evero will be sought after.
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The only way Evero comes back is if Morris is gone. I don’t think that happens.
Ramrocket said:
You would have to think Carolina would be at the bottom of the list of teams any potential HC would want to go. Teller will have to pay overs to get his man.
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Yeah he will have to overpay, or I guess there is always a coordinator that thinks he just needs his shot to prove himself, even though he’s not heavily sought after.
WarnerToBruce said:
Here in Seattle Waldron is the devil and the scapegoat for all Seahawk issues.
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I think that Seattle would be wise to move on from that entire staff. It’s starting to look like Russell was right when he said Pete was the problem. Maybe the ownership starts to wonder.
Merlin said:
Former head coaches on the rebound are often very good when they go back to coordinator. I expect Frank will settle in for whoever hires him and do a great job. He's one of those rare OCs who loves balance.

And I agree he won't be getting any more HC attention.
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I’d love it if the Shehawks fired Pete and he ended up coaching the Panthers. That could be fun.
 
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den-the-coach said:
So Tepper paid a ton of money for a College Head Coach in Matt Rhule, then shocked everyone when he hired Frank Reich. Where do the Panthers go now? A couple of hot coordinators seem to be where one would go. Two that jump out are Offensive Coordinator Bobby Slowick or Mike Macdonald Ravens Defensive Coordinator.

One would think with a young QB, you would want an offensive coach, but you just fired one. Macdonald has worked with both Harbaugh's plus has run upper tier defenses, but I am sure it will be predicated on who his offensive coordinator would be.
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Looks like the Panthers owner doesnt understand the football. He is going to be the reason his franchise will suck for years.
 
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WestCoastRam said:
Whether it's a bieniemy thing or not (prob not much on him), the dude also leads the league in sacks. 55! The next highest is Wilson with 38!
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That could be an indictment of the offensive line, which makes the yards more impressive. I haven’t watched much of the Commodes though.
 
WestCoastRam said:
I get the sense that Reich is well regarded in the NFL. I doubt he gets a HC job this cycle. But I wouldn't be shocked if he did.

Doesn't sound like Bryce was his QB (it was Stroud) and that Panther's team may have seriously out performed at the end of last year giving the false sense of how far they have to go (in addition to trading away a low level #1 receiver) and all their draft picks.
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Couldnt have written a worse outcome. Poor Panthers fans.
 
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The problem with these announcer types moving in as head coaches is they're not used to grinding massive hours to make players better like the guys who make their bones coming up through the pipeline. So how are they expected to attract a top staff who is going to do that and produce the product you need on the field.

To some extent this affects the college coaches the same way. You gotta be real good to make that jump. There are a lot of good coaches in college, too, and I think the value of it is guys who would be stuck slogging as position coaches and coordinators for more years get to jump up quicker to running the show and their own staff. But the drawback is how good are you at your actual craft if you cut out some of those years of doing the work.

That same effect is there in any industry too, to a greater or lesser extent. In the military guys who advance too quickly end up being suits who lack technical ability. The ones who advance too slowly are often the best techically but boy they can get weird and tend to lack leadership skills. So for myself at least I want a guy who has done the work and shown effectiveness at each level.

Which means you can see the product on the field due to his positional coaching. I don't care how much the HC likes the guy. How does his position group respond in actual production you can see on film. Brown is a great example of this effect. Everyone loves him but his work on the actual field has never been impressive in the NFL. And with Coordinators in particular if you can't hold down one side of the ball you are not good enough. Because in the NFL you have to be able to function as the expert in-house for one side of the ball while also running the show and teaching/managing your staff.

Jeff Fisher is a great example of this too. Looking at his career I think he jumped too quickly. If he had been force to slog through more years as a secondary, LB, and maybe even DL coach before he made that jump to DC it would have benefitted him IMO. Granted everyone's different and all that, but I think the NFL has a problem with guys moving up too fast and what you lose is knowledge of details for each room they don't get to run.

One additional note is Morris. He jumped too quick I think in his first shot at HC. Since that time unlike Fish he had to eat some humble pie by dipping back down to work his way back up. Which benefits him. He has the leadership down as a result. Of course I know someone will list McVay, to which I can only say there are always outliers and he is a rarity.
 
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Any well respected proven HC candidate would pass on working for a meddling owner like Tepper. That franchise is doomed for failure until a new owner takes control. Until then, it's not gonna surprise me to see the Panthers hire HCs that real NFL franchises would never hire.
 
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