11-Personnel Podcast: April 11, 2023 Rams Offseason and Draft Strategy

[Elmgrovegnome]

We have 45 players signed right now we need to replace 8 players plus 8 on the PS. The other 45 we need to fill in for camp are competing for those 16 spots and maybe a couple others. We don't need to replace 45 players.

They still need 45 players. You want quality in camp. Plus camp will have some competitions for spots ideally.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Jourdan also mentioned how Snead sticks to the idea that trading back is always better than trading up. Trading back has bit him in the ass a few times just like trading up did for Tavon. If you trade up for the right guy it is worth it. I think most would say that trading up for Goff was a good move.

 

[Allen2McVay]

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@Allen2McVay you are spot on about Hammond. I wish she would find a new partner. He stammers constantly and nothing of interest ever comes out. He grates on me.

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There's one point towards the end of the podcast where Hammond says 'I have one final question', and then takes 2 1/2 minutes to ask that one question. The question was basically ... Will the Rams be trading-up and/or trading-back?

150 seconds to ask a 5 second question.

 

[So Ram]

It won't be the worst thing to load the bottom of the depth chart with UDFAs who win in special teams practices. That is, after all, how Fish delivered good teams even on poor rosters. So the overall numbers, alarming as it sounds, simply means the guys who make the team will be guys who can contribute to ST instead of shitters who keep a spot due to some perceived upside like say Hopkins.

Now that said the key is going to be Kicker. But I'm thinking that job will be filled with a late round pick. Punter maybe as well, though I think we could get away this year with just sifting through UDFA options and we should attract the best class of UDFAs in the league given the state of this roster.

So this still comes down to filling the key roles in the offensive and defensive phases of the game. That will determine whether this team competes or makes us drink heavily on Sundays this year. Though I do think some drinking will be required.

You LOST ME at Fisher,maybe there is still some Les Snead in there that REFLECTs on his PAST DRAFTS.
You made a couple obvious points,but in general misses the BIG POINTS.won’t disagree.

-The drink in years way past was Saturday & Sunday drafts.First 3 rounds & all the talent that was passed up.Though The Throwing Darts NFL teams alway hit on a player.

 

[So Ram]

Jourdan also mentioned how Snead sticks to the idea that trading back is always better than trading up. Trading back has bit him in the ass a few times just like trading up did for Tavon. If you trade up for the right guy it is worth it. I think most would say that trading up for Goff was a good move.

WRONG - Then your saying 4 plus First RD PICKS & Goff for Stafford & $59 million is a good deal.

Nick Foles (mvp)won a Superbowl,Case Keenum took the Vikings to the NFC West .Championship game

I’ll say I’m good with The Rams. Better than ANY Fisher Lossing Teams.

Les Snead made one of The Greatest Trades in NFL history.RG111.It was the drafting (coaching) that sucked.Fot lucky on AD99.

I guess The question goes is when has Les Snead traded up successfully? I wanted The Rams to trade up for Johnathan Taylor . Then L.Dickerson from BAMA. Trusted him more than Creed Humpries because of his size & could play Guard. These undersized guards & centers were too much(pain). Then there was Creed who The Rams passed on. Yesterday THE RAMS site has The Tutu Atwell call like they did something great.

The Ernest Jones pick migh have been the last nice trade back,but I WAS PISSED OFF. Glad the niners draft pick didn’t workout.The RB from Ohio St.the season before Fields came out.The VALUE was HORRIBLE! Gave at least 50 points from the charts.

 

[PARAM]

Jourdan also mentioned how Snead sticks to the idea that trading back is always better than trading up. Trading back has bit him in the ass a few times just like trading up did for Tavon. If you trade up for the right guy it is worth it. I think most would say that trading up for Goff was a good move.

Geez, how long has Jourdan been around?

2017: Trade down yielded Everett and with the extra pick, John Johnson. Trade up yielded Samson Ebukam
2018: Trade down yielded Joe Noteboom. Trade up yielded Obo Okoronkwo. Trade up Micah Kiser.
2019: Trade down yielded Taylor Rapp. Trade up Darrell Henderson. Trade up yielded Bobby Evans.
2020: Trade down yielded Brycen Hopkins, Sam Sloman and Tremayne Anchrum.
2021: Trade down yielded Bobby Brown. Robert Rochell, Ernest Brown, Jake Funk and Ben Skowronek.

Sometimes media members....even those you respect for their work ethics.....make silly statements. I'm not seeing this great disparity between trading down or up. In fact, it looks like he does better when he traded down.

 

[Allen2McVay]

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2019: Trade up yielded Bobby Evans.

THAT'S why Snead does NOT want to Trade-Up! Can you blame him?!?

 

[OldSchool]

They still need 45 players. You want quality in camp. Plus camp will have some competitions for spots ideally.

Much ado about nothing as is most of the complaints about the Rams. Every team is gonna have a lot of UDFA and draft picks in camp. Some teams have 70 people signed right now but they won't all be in camp or have a shot at making the team.

 

[I like Rams]

Geez, how long has Jourdan been around?

2017: Trade down yielded Everett and with the extra pick, John Johnson. Trade up yielded Samson Ebukam
2018: Trade down yielded Joe Noteboom. Trade up yielded Obo Okoronkwo. Trade up Micah Kiser.
2019: Trade down yielded Taylor Rapp. Trade up Darrell Henderson. Trade up yielded Bobby Evans.
2020: Trade down yielded Brycen Hopkins, Sam Sloman and Tremayne Anchrum.
2021: Trade down yielded Bobby Brown. Robert Rochell, Ernest Brown, Jake Funk and Ben Skowronek.

Sometimes media members....even those you respect for their work ethics.....make silly statements. I'm not seeing this great disparity between trading down or up. In fact, it looks like he does better when he traded down.

She was quoting Snead, that was not her personal opinion. Snead stated that trading down yields better results than trading up.

 

[fanotodd]

Agree but the way Jourdan Rodrigue expressed their attitude, it sounded like the Rams' Leadership believes it can over-come a perceived lack of talent. I think ... HOPE? ... being a little cocky is a good thing in that it's the right approach for a team that many believe should have low expectations.

I have expressed a lack of optimism about this coming season but I do have hope.

I don't know. This is kind of a tough time to be a Rams' fan.

I'm trying to be realistic and objective without being totally negative.

“…tough time”?
C’mon man, we’ve been through tougher times than this.
Worst case scenario is the Rams have a lousy year, pick top 5 going into 2024 with a 1rst rounder, lotta $$, and only 3 seasons removed from a SB title.

I think they can make that work.

 

[fanotodd]

We have 45 players signed right now we need to replace 8 players plus 8 on the PS. The other 45 we need to fill in for camp are competing for those 16 spots and maybe a couple others. We don't need to replace 45 players.

Gee, when you put it that way, it kinda sounds do-able.
Seriously, haven’t the Rams already done that once or twice under this regime and somehow managed to win a trophy?

 

[Allen2McVay]

“…tough time”?
C’mon man, we’ve been through tougher times than this.
Worst case scenario is the Rams have a lousy year, pick top 5 going into 2024 with a 1rst rounder, lotta $$, and only 3 seasons removed from a SB title.

I think they can make that work.

You don't think the past eight months have been "tough" for Rams fans?!?

If I am ever on a ledge, YOU are the guy I want talking me down. Text me your number and address.

Seriously though, I have been a die-hard Rams' fan for 52 years; and have seen most all a football fan can. Overall, I'm good. However, I do think the last eight months have been "tough".

 

[oldnotdead]

Jourdan doesn't know the roster as well as she claims. Almost the entire offense is intact. The only questions are at OG but if push comes to shove they can start Jackson at LG and Shelton at RG and they have a veteran OL, and not a scrub OL. Geez woman STFU and study the damn roster in terms of position. They also signed 9 to futures contracts, Hoecht to a tender, some will go to the PS others will go on the active roster.

On defense, DL of Hoecht, Donald, Brown/Murchison, Hardy/rookie via draft with IL Jones, IL Rozeboom, CBs Durant, Rochell (who was a starter) and Kendrick, with safeties of Fuller, Lake, and Yeast. I think they will draft a CB and ILB but they will have a decent defensive roster IF PLAYED CORRECTLY. You don't need a roster full of expensive stars to win if you play to your roster's strength. They have elite players in Stafford, Kupp and AD. If you can't win with them that is piss poor coaching because it's not like they don't have decent players around them.

The Rams have the bulk of their starters right now. They will add 10-11 more via the draft. So 45+9+10=64 players at the end of the draft. That 90 players is strictly for TC nothing more. There are only 53 players on the active roster at any given time. So Jourdan 45+3 (K,P, LS) plus Hoecht and top 4 from the draft = 53. In other words, this team is BUILT they are looking to fill a couple of holes and the PK, P, and LS and they can be a decent team with a competitive roster. Geez that know-it-all, doesn't see they aren't that far off, and goes on and on about McVay's and the FO's confidence in filling the roster when it's already built.

That is what I've been saying to the doom and gloom crowd is to look at the damn roster. There are only 53 on the active roster and they have 45 of them now, 46 if Hoecht isn't among those 45 counted. Most of those positions are depth and STs.

Draft priorities:
Edge, QB2, CB, ILB, Pk, P, LS

That is 7 priority positions to fill and 11 picks. This is why I'm saying that they can fill all of the aforementioned with their first 6 picks, in rounds 2-5 with the LS off the UFA list or in the 6th or 7th round or even UDFA.

 

[fanotodd]

You don't think the past eight months have been "tough" for Rams fans?!?

If I am ever on a ledge, YOU are the guy I want talking me down. Text me your number and address.

Seriously though, I have been a die-hard Rams' fan for 52 years; and have seen most all a football fan can. Overall, I'm good. However, I do think the last eight months have been "tough".

I’ll admit, I was perplexed at first and a bit disappointed in the return on the Ramsey trade, but I’m seeing more of a plan that appears to have been discussed before just a few months ago.
IMO, last year’s draft was all about replacing our secondary this year. They got valuable real game reps instead of riding the pine. That’s gotta be a good thing.

If that type of mindset is going on during this draft, I don’t see how the Rams don’t look for a TE (Higbee), a RB (Akers), and believe it or not…
I’m warming to the idea that the Rams might be looking for a WR THIS year. I was initially thinking our 1rst rounder next year; but the way it looks to me, whether they get traded this year or not, I don’t see either Robinson or VJ coming back.

Maybe YOU are right and I am wrong, but there is a plan in place that even my tiny brain is starting to see and if it flops, then I will lick my wounds.

I too have seen a lotta football (that’s a very old picture of me) and I really don’t want this ride to crash and burn as fast as the GSOT did. I waited too long for that one, too long for this one, and I don’t know if I can handle another drought like we went through prior to McVay.

I GOTTA BELIEVE!

 

[PARAM]

She was quoting Snead, that was not her personal opinion. Snead stated that trading down yields better results than trading up.

My bad. I thought she said "it didn't make sense".

 

[Allen2McVay]

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I too have seen a lotta football (that’s a very old picture of me)

I thought you were a fan of The Office, and that was a picture of John Krasinski ...

 

[oldnotdead]

I liked Jourdan when she first got here and still do. But the longer she is here the more she merges into that standard stir the pot mentality of media reporters. I take her with my grain of salt, i.e. for general information but not as the absolute truth.

 

[OldSchool]

Gee, when you put it that way, it kinda sounds do-able.
Seriously, haven’t the Rams already done that once or twice under this regime and somehow managed to win a trophy?

There were years we'd have 8 or so UDFA make the 53 man and another 8 or close to it on the PS. This isn't unfamiliar territory just revisiting where a lot of us hoped to not go again. But as we've said a lot around here there are consequences to how we built the team and won the trophy.

 

[OldSchool]

Draft priorities:
Edge, QB2, CB, ILB, Pk, P, LS

Terrible list and that isn't the Rams priorities we don't know what they have on their list and what order that's your list.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Much ado about nothing as is most of the complaints about the Rams. Every team is gonna have a lot of UDFA and draft picks in camp. Some teams have 70 people signed right now but they won't all be in camp or have a shot at making the team.

I guess your right. Replacing Ramsey, Floyd, AShawn, Gaines, Scott etc.., with a bunch of drafted rookies and UDFA’s is a piece of cake. 45 is plenty if your playing the odds.