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What you think of this suggested trade

Just for fun...I am laid up a few days here recovering from a recent surgery......so;)

The New York Giants lost both starting WR's last Sunday. All Pro WR Odell Beckham was placed on injured reserve after suffering a broken fibula. Odell will get a 2nd opinion before surgery. Ex All Pro Brandon Marshall was placed on injured reserve Tuesday. Marshall would undergo season-ending surgery Tuesday to stabilize his left ankle. The Giants 3rd WR Sterling Sheppard is also injured & not practicing & status of return is unknown.

On top of the above Starting NYG veteran outside corner Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie was suspended for conduct detrimental to the team. Later on Wednesday Giants announced CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie is suspended indefinitely. NYG also made several roster changes.

The Rams just added a 7th WR to the roster Mike Thomas after releasing a DB. In addition in a few weeks from now pass catching TE Temarrick Hemingway will be ready to return to the 53 player roster if needed. The Rams have a boatload of receivers @ RB/TE/WR ready to go.

Next March the Rams have five DB's who will enter Free Agency. #1 corner Trumaine Johnson, our 3rd starting corner who started 3 gamed thus far Nickell Robey-Coleman, Starting high safety & starting Nickel Lamarcus Joyner, current starting safety Cody Davis & 4th outside corner Troy Hill. That's a serious DB cadre & the loss of 4 out of the 5 veterans.

If the Rams could secure the services of veteran 31 yr old outside corner Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie who has been to the Pro Bowl twice as late as 2015, (Plus he displayed with a 4.29 sec 40-yard dash at the NFL combine) would still be under contract for the 2018 season to pair with Rams Kayvon Webster ease some of this great concern? Would a trade of 2 Ram receivers i.e.......WR/KR/PR (present 4th Ram WR) Pharoh Cooper & $$ costly cap WR/RB Tavon Austin for DRC be a benefit to this 2017/2018 Rams team?

What concerns do you see with this trade proposal? :bueller::thinking:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...nique-rodgerscromartie-suspended-indefinitely

Here's what I'm feelin' vs Jax

Nervous.

Man oh man, if there is one word that hits home against this team it's this one. Execution.

Smart football with minimal mental lapses. Focus, focus, focus. The Jags have a very good defense as we have seen thus far. Blocking assignments up front will need to continue to be a strong point of our game. GET GURLEY GOING.... which I bet we get it on the ground. We got away a little bit too early it seemed last week, so hopefully TG30 can "carry the load" 25+ times. TEs will need to have a very consistent game in all phases (run blocking included). This Defense boasts two, young, dynamic corners that will man up on Watkins and Woods. Their LBs play sideline to sideline with the likes of Telvin Smith and Myles Jack, so they will be able to run with Higbee and Everett. However, what is so promising about Goff is what he showed me last week (X pointed it out). The fact that he is starting to manipulate defenders with his eyes and check to audibles is very encouraging. That seed he threw to Kupp was legit. Not just in velocity, and in the tight window, but he looked off Earl Thomas to be able to fit it in there. Once again we have to face the dominating Calais Campbell, not a good matchup for our right side. But, they have done pretty respectable this far; we will need it come Sunday.

Jacksonville's offense is actually kinda similar to ours in personal. Stud RB, decent OL (ours is better), and capable WRs (ours are better), makes this unit able to move the ball. But I actually really like our defense against them; so much that I'm starting them in fantasy (Just a tad of a homer). It looks like the D is beginning to get some traction. But I believe if we contain and somewhat stop Fournette, we can come out victorious. But it all comes down to that word... Execution.

Latest Ram injuries

INJURY REPORT

Rams linebacker Mark Barron missed practice with a knee injury, but McVay expressed confidence that Barron will play against the Jaguars. Cornerback Troy Hill missed practice with a shoulder injury and safety Lamarcus Joyner was limited as he goes through the final stages of his recovery from a hamstring injury. Rams veterans Connor Barwin, John Sullivan and Andrew Whitworth got rest days.

MAKING A MOVE

As expected, Austin was removed from punt-return duties after he fumbled twice against Seattle. McVay indicated that Pharoh Cooper will take over those duties but said Kupp also will get practice reps.

http://www.dailynews.com/2017/10/11...-surprisingly-small-role-within-rams-offense/

Troy Hill(Shoulder) & Mark Barron(knee) Did Not Practice on Wednesday along with Barwin,Whitworth & Johnson Sullivan. LJ was limited.
http://www.therams.com/team/injury-report.html

The knee of Mark Barron bares watching it was his knee that kept him out of all of pre season. Meanwhile MB is leading the team D in combination of Tackles & solo tackles some things never change for Mark Barron. 118 tackles in 2016 & 116 tackles in 2015. If MB was unable to play Sunday Cory Littleton would take over.

View: http://www.therams.com/news-and-events/article-1/Practice-Report-Joyner-Returns-to-Practice-Ogletree-Talks-Jaguars-Run-Game/2f88a9d1-1698-452a-97f7-2bd3c6955645

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/players/news/1632196/mark-barron/

http://theramswire.usatoday.com/2017/10/12/nfl-los-angeles-rams-injury-report-week-6-mark-barron/

Numbingly consistent

Every time Sean McVay speaks, no matter what the circumstance, he says something he’s prepared for a purpose. Sometimes a reporter will ask him something goofy just to get him out of it (which player is most likely to visit a waterpark in Florida) and he won’t answer it until he can return to his roots of “this is a business trip.”

On Sammy Watkins, he takes responsibility as needing to get him more involved, informs us what happened on social media has been addressed, compliments Sammy for responding the right way, and considers the whole thing instructional moving forward while stating that things don’t always go as planned on every play.

On Mo Alexander, he compliments Mo, wishes him well, and continues to compliment his coaches and each individual safety on the roster.

On the loss to Seattle, he is careful to look at himself first, acknowledge our errors, and give Seattle credit.

When the team wins, he focuses on the progress, acknowledges areas that need to improve, and turns the focus on the next “great” team they are about to play. Oh, and he does the exact same thing after losses.

I swear, our coach reminds me of Spock from Star Trek. He has an analysis for everything he says and does so with no ego. He has emotions but they are always under control. There will never be Jim Mora or Denny Green like meltdowns. There are no Dick Vermeil tears. There are no Lombardi like quotes to draw football parallels to philosophical life questions.

When challenged about Red Zone efficiency, he knows damned well he scripted the perfect opening drive for a touchdown. He knows Chancellor was guilty of an egregious PI on Higbee but since he got away with it, Sean called it a great play. No emotion demonstrated though you can tell it burns inside him.

No, this coach will be like the sun who does the exact same thing everyday and no matter what happens, will continue that process of developing himself, his staff, and his team everyday. What I consider boring, he will use to make this team a consistent winner. This is his character and true character never changes. Everyone knows now (looking at you Mo), the process is in place and either you buy in or will be respectfully shown the door.

I swear, by now every fan paying attention, every coach, administrator, every player, and most reporters know what he’s going to say once the question is asked and the coaches and players know the script as well and generally parrot the same.

We don’t know how this season will end but by now we definitely know what will happen along the way. Whether we go 7-9 on the season or 14-2, McVay will focus on the next step necessary. Live long and prosper my friends.

PFT’s Week Six picks

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/10/12/pfts-week-six-picks-8/

PFT’s Week Six picks
Posted by Mike Florio on October 12, 2017

Rams at Jaguars

MDS’s take: I don’t think many people thought before the season that Rams-Jaguars in Week Six would be one of the best games of the day, but it is. I like the Jaguars to slow down the game with their running offense and win a low-scoring one.

MDS’s pick: Jaguars 14, Rams 13.

Florio’s take: The win-one, lose-one Jags are due to lose one. And since the Rams have the defense to take away the running game and the Jaguars don’t have the passing game to take advantage of it, the trend holds again.

Florio’s pick: Rams 20, Jaguars 13.
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Eagles at Panthers

MDS’s take: The Eagles are probably a better all-around team than the Panthers, but Cam Newton is getting things turned around, and on a short week I think Philadelphia’s defense is going to struggle to game plan for him. Newton will have a big night both running and passing, and Carolina will win a close one.

MDS’s pick: Panthers 24, Eagles 23.

Florio’s take: The Eagles’ fortunes turned last year once Lane Johnson began a PED suspension. He’s out with a concussion this week, and that could be just enough to make the difference when two of the best teams in the NFC get together under the lights.

Florio’s pick: Panthers 24, Eagles 20.
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Bears at Ravens

MDS’s take: The Bears made the right move benching Mike Glennon for Mitch Trubisky, but the Bears have a lot more problems than a quarterback can solve. The Ravens should win easily on Sunday.

MDS’s pick: Ravens 20, Bears 9.

Florio’s take: If the Ravens hope to contend this year, they need to take care of teams that are overmatched. The Bears are overmatched, and operating on a short week.

Florio’s pick: Ravens 17, Bears 10.
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Browns at Texans

MDS’s take: In a league where parity reigns, the Browns somehow find a way not to regress toward the mean: They were 3-13 in 2015, 1-15 in 2016 and look worse than ever in 2017. The Texans, after a loss full of devastating injuries on Sunday, will bounce back easily.

MDS’s pick: Texans 22, Browns 10.

Florio’s take: Deshaun vs. DeShone get derailed by de bench.

Florio’s pick: Texans 41, Browns 17.
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Packers at Vikings

MDS’s take: I’m not even sure it matters whether Sam Bradford or Case Keenum starts for the Vikings. I like Aaron Rodgers to have a big day against the Vikings’ defense.

MDS’s pick: Packers 30, Vikings 17.

Florio’s take: The Vikings are improving but the Packers are the Packers as they make their first of possible two visits this season to U.S. Bank Stadium.

Florio’s pick: Packers 27, Vikings 17.
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Lions at Saints

MDS’s take: Matthew Stafford is the highest-paid quarterback in the NFL, but he hasn’t played like anything close to the best quarterback in the NFL. He might put up big numbers against a suspect Saints secondary, but Drew Brees will have a better day and the Saints will win.

MDS’s pick: Saints 30, Lions 24.

Florio’s take: Matthew Stafford is hobbled and the Saints are surprisingly stout on defense. And so the team that could have been 4-0 is in danger of falling to .500.

Florio’s pick: Saints 27, Lions 20.
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Dolphins at Falcons

MDS’s take: Jay Cutler has been a mess this season, and you have to wonder why the Dolphins didn’t just go with Matt Moore after Ryan Tannehill went down. Those questions will intensify when the Dolphins lose another one on Sunday.

MDS’s pick: Falcons 28, Dolphins 14.

Florio’s take: The Dolphins may be getting close to getting hot, but this is a bad week to begin the effort. The Falcons are rested and getting healthy and the Dolphins aren’t ready to outscore them.

Florio’s pick: Falcons 26, Dolphins 17.
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Patriots at Jets

MDS’s take: No one expected the Jets to be playing for first place in the AFC East in Week Six. Todd Bowles has done a good job putting his team in this position, but they’re not going to beat the Patriots with the division lead on the line.

MDS’s pick: Patriots 28, Jets 17.

Florio’s take: The Jets have been impressive this year, but the Patriots are still the Patriots, and they’re getting better on the fly. Like they always do.

Florio’s pick: Patriots 30 Jets 20.
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49ers at Redskins

MDS’s take: The winless 49ers will remain winless. This is the easiest pick of the day.

MDS’s pick: Redskins 30, 49ers 10.

Florio’s take: Kyle Shanahan returns to D.C. with a team that is better than 0-5 would suggest, but not nearly good enough to outscore a rested Redskins team.

Florio’s pick: Redskins 24, 49ers 13.
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Buccaneers at Cardinals

MDS’s take: If there’s one prediction I can state with confidence, it’s that Adrian Petersonwon’t make a difference in Arizona. The Cardinals are heading in the wrong direction.

MDS’s pick: Buccaneers 20, Cardinals 14.

Florio’s take: Adrian Peterson won’t make enough of a difference after only a few days with the team. The Bucs are simply better on both sides of the ball.

Florio’s pick: Buccaneers 27, Cardinals 14.

Pharoh Cooper expected to be Rams' punt returner

Pharoh Cooper expected to be Rams' punt returner
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Pharoh Cooper will take over returning punts from Tavon Austin, who has done the job the last four years. Javier Rojas/Zuma Press/Icon Sportswire

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    Alden GonzalezESPN Staff Writer
THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. -- Pharoh Cooper is expected to take over Tavon Austin's role as the Los Angeles Rams' punt returner, coach Sean McVay said after Wednesday's practice. The Rams were going to try out Cooper Kupp as well, but he already plays a big role in the offense and Cooper has been producing as a kickoff returner.

Cooper ranks third in kickoff-return average, at 27.1 yards, but he also fumbled one of his NFL-leading 13 attempts. A fourth-round pick out of South Carolina last year, Cooper returned five punts as a rookie, totaling 5 yards. Austin has been returning the vast majority of punts for the Rams the last four years, averaging 8.9 yards and scoring three touchdowns, one shy of the NFL lead from 2013 to 2016.

But Austin has muffed four punts this season, three of which gave possession to the opposing team. Austin muffed a punt Sunday, was replaced by Kupp, then tried again, muffed another and was ultimately replaced for good.

"I know my situation," Austin said after Wednesday's practice. "I really believe I’m the best punt returner in the league; just gotta get rid of a couple problems I’m dealing with right now. But it’s going to be what it’s going to be. I’d rather come off than hurt this team."



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The Los Angeles Rams Are Stuck In Uniform Purgatory

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This past weekend, the Los Angeles Rams played host to the Seattle Seahawks, and while the result may not have gone in favor of the Rams, they definitely won the battle of the uniforms. That's because the Rams decided to break out their popular throwbacks.

Those uniforms are synonymous with the Rams' most recent stint in Los Angeles, and it's also the uniform the team wore during its Super Bowl-winning season in St. Louis. It's safe to say that this is a popular uniform, and it's a look that fans and even former players were clamoring to see the Rams return to as they moved back to Los Angeles.

However, they've chosen not to do that, and it's apparent that the Rams are content with leaving their old color scheme in the past in favor of an even older color scheme of blue and white. The Rams have steadily tried to eliminate gold from their color scheme for the first two seasons of their return to Los Angeles. The gradual elimination of gold will culminate with brand-new uniforms once they move into their new stadium, but they can't make wholesale changes until then.

With that being said, the Rams have experienced some growing pains in the process of reaching their blue-and-white promised land. The most obvious is whenever the team is forced to wear blue jerseys like it had to in Week 4 against the Dallas Cowboys.

Granted, the NFL rules on uniform changes kind of hamstrung the Rams when it came to making wholesale changes. With that being said, it's clear that the Rams don't want to wear their blue jerseys because they clash so much with the direction that they're planning to go. The gold numbers and trim on the jerseys clash heavily with the white ram horns on the helmet and the thick white stripe on the pants, so it's just an overall weird look for the Rams.

It doesn't look as bad when the team is wearing all-white (as you can see below), but it's still clear that the Rams are "in between" uniforms at the moment, rather than having a solid identity that you can point out the second that you look at them.

You could easily make the argument that the Rams would have been better off being patient and just living with the gold in their color scheme until they had the chance to actually make complete changes. Instead, the Rams are in a bit of a blue-white-and-gold purgatory until they can make the changes that they really want.

Of course, they could always have a change of heart and go back to the classic look, but apparently purgatory is more attractive to the Rams than blue and gold.

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Arrow up, Arrow Down.

My Rams (Trending Arrow) Roster evaluation after 5 weeks:


ARROW UP:

Goff - Firmly established as Franchise QB. Room to grow but on a Pro Bowl trajectory.

Gurley- In Conversation as NFC offensive player of the year with new found WR skills to go along with Hurdling Defenders in between him and the end zone.

Woods - I was down on this offeason signing. A couple brain farts in the Washington game. Otherwise he has been tough as nails, confident, consistently productive and solidifying himself as a key cog in the long term plans of this exciting young offense.

Kupp - Justifying his pre draft hype with clutch play after clutch play. Showing the shake and bake to constantly get open for huge 3rd down conversions. Developing chemistry with Goff as go to WR at critical times. Yea he dropped a big one vs Seattle. No one is blinking an eye in the confidence we have in him.

Higbee - blocking still needs work but is getting better. Chemistry with Goff is springboarding. 98 yard showing vs a tough Seattle defense may be the start of seeing his full potential realized.

The Entire Oline - Oh what a difference a year makes. Giving up around 1 sack a game. leading the #2 offense in the NFL. Seeing a Run game improve and grow as the season progresses.

Longacre - Getting people talking. Providing solid pass pressures and run defense.

Smart - Solid play has you solidifying a starting role in Rookie year. Not bad.

Brockers - Emerging as a pass rusher along with your awesome run stopping consistency.

Donald - The Old Donald is back. Tearing up PFF again after a rusty start. You decided to play. Good move Bro.

Barron - Let's see if you can hold up in run defense against a tough Jacksonville run game. But the last few weeks you have proven your a player. Shifting focus off you back on to Olgeltree. Consistent big tackles the last few games and a nice interception against Dallas.

Webster - Settling in Nicely.

J. Johnson - Huge game vs Seattle. Let's see if this will be a weekly occurrence. May be one of the most critical pieces to turning our Defense around. Tighten up in the red zone.

Cody Davis - Solid play this weekend. Keep it up.

ARROW DOWN:

Tavon - How does one get in the doghouse when he has huge critical runs in the straight games? By losing the football over and over and over. I am rooting for you bro. Keep your head up. Keep running with confidence, with ball security as priority #1.

Alexander - Sorry man. Arrow so far down you are no longer on the team. Geez. Good luck, maybe a different scheme will be better. Keep working. It's a tough league.

Watkins - We all like you. Stay off social media at all costs. Arrow not down because we think you can't play. Arrow down because you quit on some plays and said some questionable stuff. We are rooting for you and Believe in you. Let's get that Arrow back up permanently.

Quinn - Dude, get out of the Neutral zone. You are not a rookie. The Injuries are not your fault and we appreciate the effort. But your getting manhandled out there and flopping around a little much. Give us what you got, but if the back is that bad then it's OK to let Longacre handle the duties.

Olgletree - You look slow. Except when you Blitz, then you look fast. You are miles away from being a good run defender and are hurting this defense a little too much. Stay classy and keep working. Here is to hoping you turn in your best run defense game this weekend. If Fournette runs all over you I predict you will be riding pine. Good luck. Blow up defenders and fill the hole with authority. Watch some Ray Lewis highlights and pay careful attention to how it is done.

Everett- One of my favorite draft picks. But dude, catch the fricken ball before you fade to oblivion.

Barwin - Where are you? The objective is too make plays and blow things up. Not to join the pile.

Some things I originally missed when I watched the game live...

I’m gonna try to avoid mentioning the things that so many others have already pointed out in their excellent reviews.

These are things that I just missed in all the excitement of the live action but jumped out when I rewatched. Plus a couple of things that bear further emphasis anyway, IMO.

This game was not McVay’s best game plan and it was hampered by some playcalling headscratchers. Like getting away from the running game too much, too much Tavon too little Gurley, using precious time outs early, not insisting on more targets for Watkins, etc.

Yeah, Goff had an “off” game. It was merely reinforced when I rewatched. It happens to the best of them.

It killed me to see Gurley on the sidelines so much in that 2nd half. Easily our best O weapon through the first 4 games. Sigh...

I thought that the OL generally played well. Few bad moments here and there like Whit’s whiff, Saffold getting walked back resulting in a Goff pick, JB’s penalties. But overall, I think they’re coming along and held their own against a good Seahawk D.

Higbee is coming along nicely, I’m happy to say. The lightbulb seems to have come on in the last 2 games. Needs to improve on catching contested balls. Everett is having more trouble adjusting to the NFL than I had anticipated. I no longer see him starting ahead of Higbee by midseason. Still love the pick, mind you, but it’s just gonna take more time.

Thank goodness for Woods. He actually had a helluva game. In fact, I’ll say this. If every player had played his position as well as Woods did, we would have won by 30 points, or more. I’m serious. Terrific signing.

Watkins needs to look in the mirror, then get his damned act together. Body language and effort leave a lot to be desired. No room for divas on this McVay team.

Kupp had a good game. Not a great game, but a good one. Came 3 inches from becoming a hero, although I’m not blaming him for the miss for the win at the end of the game. I still think it would have to have been a helluva catch.

Cooper quietly had a nice game. Apparently he’s also gonna be our new PR. Good choice. He’s already a fine KOR. Don’t know why more fans are not on his bandwagon. The kid is a savvy football player that produces.

Malcolm Brown made a couple of nice catches. I much prefer him giving Gurley his breathers rather than Tavon.

Speaking of Tavon, the Seahawks were sitting on him all game long. Couldn’t have been more obvious. He did score on that extremely well blocked TD run, but my wife might have scored on that play. Just kidding. She probably wouldn’t have scored, but I’m sure that she woulda made the 1st down. Lol.

I stand by my previous statement. Taking Gurley or Kupp off the field to insert Tavon is a tactical error on McVay’s part. Might have even been the difference in a close ballgame.

Wade’s D did a real fine job, overall. Held the Seahawks to 16 points after the Seahawks were gifted with 5 turnovers. Gawd! I suspect that our D will fare well vs the Jags.

This just in. JJ had an even better game than I had realized. He came close to 2 interceptions early in the 1st quarter that I missed, originally. The kid appears to have serious ball skills. We could be looking at a future Ram star in our secondary, fellas.

A few brief comments about Quinn. Skip this part if you are still a big Quinn loyalist. Quinn looks like he’s done. He looked worse on the re-watch than on the live broadcast. Don’t see the fire, speed, or results of the ‘14 and ‘15 versions. I suspect that he’s playing in considerable pain, tbh. I don’t see how the Rams can justify keeping him after this year. Longacre is outplaying him by a mile.

NRC is one feisty slot CB. The kind that gets in the head of opposing receivers and QB’s. Fun to watch.

Cody Davis had a strong game. He missed one tackle that would have forced a FG attempt. Instead, Wilson was able to get the TD after the first down. But I must say that Davis had a strong game overall, plus the int, of course.

Goff was magnificent on that last drive. I think that was a statement drive. I was already impressed with his progress this year under McVay, but that final drive was jaw droppingly impressive. Bodes very well for our Ram future.

I’m over the loss already. I wasn’t devastated right away, anyway.

This team is learning and growing every week. They beat themselves vs the Seahawks. That’s a huge improvement over seasons past when we lacked too much talent. This game was there for the taking right up to the final seconds despite all of the many mistakes both big and small. That’s miles ahead of where we were just a year ago.

Another thing. This team, these players and coaches alike, has no quit in them. Not one damned bit. Not through all 5 games so far. It’s an exciting team to watch and very easy to root for. I see a fun roller coaster type ride in these next 11 games, too.

Thanks for reading. Comments very welcome.

Week 6 Predict the Score-Rams @Jacksonville

Now that the wounds have almost healed from the on field debacle last Sunday, it's time for this weeks prediction thread.

The Mighty Los Angeles Rams head down to Jacksonville to welcome a contingent of ROD members, who are really just going to tour the Bacardi bottling plant or the Maxwell house coffee plant.

So fire up a Swisher cigar and get those score predictions in. Remember the first person who picks closest to the actual final score, including the correct winning team (wearing blue and gold or white or yellow) wins $10,000.00 RODollars to buy all the Pilot Pens you want.

Pick the exact score and winning team to win $25,000.00 RODollars

Good luck

Why certain statistics are sometimes misleading

The Rams rank #20th giving up 342.4 yds per game. Actually the best indicator of a defense is how many points they've given up. The Bills rank #1 with 14.8 points per game. The Rams rank #23d with 24.2 points per game while the Browns rank #25th with 24.8 points per game.

Of course those stats don't take into consideration how many points were scored by opposing defenses or how many times your own offense put you in a bad position or how many ridiculous penalties were called that led to those points given up.

One more thing: our upcoming opponents, the Jaguars, are giving up an average of 16 points per game and lead the league with 10 interceptions and 20 sacks. Yikes!
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Hue Jackson defends the Browns’ “No. 5 defense in all of football”
Posted by Michael David Smith on October 11, 2017

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Browns coach Hue Jackson defended his defense today, saying it’s fifth in the NFL. He was right in one narrow sense, but wrong in the assessment that really matters.

“If I’m not mistaken, this is the No. 5 defense in all of football,” Jackson said.

Technically, Jackson is correct that the Browns rank No. 5 in the league in yards per game, which is the statistic that the NFL uses to rank defenses.

But here’s the problem: Yards per game is a terrible statistic to rank defenses.

The 0-5 Browns are Top 5 in yards per game not because their defense is playing well — it isn’t — but because their defense finds itself trailing late in games, when opposing teams are more interested in running out the clock than gaining yards.

Take Sunday’s loss to the Jets. The Browns’ defense allowed just 212 yards in that game, which looks good. Until you remember the way the Jets ran out the clock at the end of the fourth quarter. On the Jets’ final two drives, they gained a grand total of 12 yards. But the first of those drives took 3:52 off the clock while the Jets had a two-possession lead late in the fourth quarter, and the second drive took the final 1:49 off the clock.

It’s great to only allow 12 yards in two drives, unless those two drives are the drives that take all the remaining time off the clock. When you’re trailing late in the fourth quarter what you need from your defense is to force turnovers, and the Browns’ defense has just six takeaways through five games.

A better statistic to assess the quality of a defense is passer rating allowed, which is a simple yardstick for how good a job the defense has done of stopping opposing quarterbacks. And in that statistic, the Browns rank dead last with a 112.4 passer rating allowed.

And as bad as that sounds, it’s actually worse, because the Browns have played a bad collection of quarterbacks. Take a look at just how much better the five quarterbacks the Browns have faced this year were when playing against the Browns than they were when playing against other defenses:

Ben Roethlisberger had a 95.0 passer rating against the Browns in Week One. He has a 71.4 passer rating against teams other than the Browns.

Joe Flacco had a 97.3 passer rating against the Browns in Week Two. He has a 62.9 passer rating against teams other than the Browns.

Jacoby Brissett had a 120.0 passer rating against the Browns in Week Three. He has a 73.2 passer rating against teams other than the Browns.

Andy Dalton had a 146.0 passer rating against the Browns in Week Four. He has a 71.7 passer rating against teams other than the Browns.

Josh McCown had a 101.2 passer rating against the Browns in Week Five. He has an 87.8 passer rating against teams other than the Browns.

Jackson is not mistaken that the Browns’ defense ranks fifth in the NFL in yards allowed per game. If he thinks that means his defense is playing well, he’s very mistaken.

The ripple effect of the NFL shows the Rams made the right move in trading up for a QB

The ripple effect of the NFL shows the Rams made the right move in trading up for a QB

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The Rams at this point in time sit in a two-horse race that will likely come down to the final weeks of the season to win the division. However, that may not have been the case had the Rams not made an epic trade to skyrocket up to the number one overall selection in the 2016 NFL Draft and take California star, QB Jared Goff.

It's easy to say the Rams could have stayed at number 15 overall and could have selected Memphis dual-threat physical freak QB prospect Paxton Lynch but as we are now learning nothing is a guarantee and just because you draft a QB in the first-round doesn't mean he will turn into a first-round type of QB. Forget about Lynch for a second, let's just pretend the Rams had selected the player the Browns took at number 15 with no franchise QB in plain sight, WR Corey Coleman. Who would be throwing him the ball?

The Rams had two picks in the second round and could easily have taken a QB in the second right? Now, in this scenario Rams grab a 5-foot-10 WR that can take the top off the defense but who is throwing him the ball? Well, with one of the Rams two second-round picks perhaps the selection is QB Christian Hackenberg who has struggled to even see the field in the NFL and can't even beat out Josh McCown or Bryce Petty. So what's the point of bringing this up you may ask? Basically, had the Rams "stayed put" at 15 they would have likely been burned and would not be in the driver's seat like they are now. This is not to say Goff was the right choice over Wentz because that has yet to be determined as both look like future franchise QB's. What this does show is that at the most valuable position in the sport, sometimes you need to bite the bullet and grab "your guy" in the draft. When dealing with a QB don't think about value, think about need. Yes, you can buy a beater of a car on Craigslist for value, but how long will it get you from point A to point B? Just like a QB, how long will your value QB last in the hardest position and most important on the team?

Shifting gears for a second, you do realize that what you saw out of Goff last year under that horrid offensive coaching personnel would have been twice as worse if you replaced Goff with Paxton Lynch last year right? Goff may have been a little raw but Lynch? Well, he was on another level raw. The Rams made a mistake with Goff and that was surrounding him with no offensive line protection which jeopardized his career early on and the coaching he had that seemingly taught him nothing whatsoever. Goff last season was ultimately in the most unfair situation you could think of. Now, lets double back to the value talk. When you hear about value in the 2016 NFL Draft one name should pop up immediately. Dak Prescott. The Cowboys were completely lucky with Prescott just like the Seahawks were completely lucky with Russell Wilson. Prescott was a dual-threat at Mississippi State that couldn't beat Alabama and Wilson was a transfer at Wisconsin who couldn't beat Kirk Cousins. Both players, however, have paid off. You could never have predicted it before the draft though. Those are just two occurrences that you just have to be lucky to even have go in your favor. Sure, the Rams could have drafted either one of them since Wilson was a third-round pick and Dak was a fourth-round pick but could you even make an argument that they would have succeeded with what was around Goff last season? Probably not.

The idea that any team would have to consistently start a revolving door of QB's seems preposterous but then again it happens. Just think the Jets are starting Josh McCown this season because they refused to target any QB's in this year's draft. Or how about the Browns who passed on Carson Wentz, Deshaun Watson, Patrick Mahomes, Mitch Trubisky and took DeShone Kizer off of value. I like Kizer and I believe he could be something in this league but the Browns have already booted him from the starting QB duties and have named former Kansas City Chiefs QB that was waived Kevin Hogan as their starting QB. The Browns drafted a QB last year Cody Kessler, in the third round ahead of Dak Prescott and he is not even playing this season. What does that tell you about the Browns and the need for a franchise QB. Oh, and did I mention the Browns are now 0-5 after losing to Josh McCown and the Jets at home. Yeah, excellent job Cleveland. Let's not forget the 49ers who thought it would be a great idea to start Brian Hoyer at QB while a young team rebuilds. Not taking away from the fact that the 49ers completely reached on Iowa QB C.J. Beathard in the draft either.

Forget all about the teams that have failed to have a starting franchise QB come out of the tunnel and give their loyal fan base a reason to wake up and watch on Sundays. Now look at the teams that have been in denial of the inevitable. Think about it. The Cardinals are starting 37-year old QB Carson Palmer who has clearly taken a step back and he among others could be holding back the Cardinals from one last playoff push with legendary WR Larry Fitzgerald. Where is the backup plan for Palmer? Nowhere to be seen because the Cardinals have not taken this valuable time to have had anyone sitting and learning under Palmer just two backups in Blaine Gabbert and Drew Stanton. Well, what about the Chargers great QB Philip Rivers who has seemingly taken a step or two back this season. He's 35-years old and who is behind him? Cardale Jones. At least something to work with but still no one that is probably the heir for the Chargers moving forward. How about the New York Giants who clearly should have traded up and taken Patrick Mahomes in this year's draft like everyone heard they were going to do. Instead, 36-year old QB Eli Manning is in a nightmare of a season after losing almost all of his receiving core to injuries and the only guys after Eli, if he goes down, are Davis Webb who was an over-drafted inaccurate rocket-arm in this draft and Geno Smith.

Now on the other side of the coin, there are teams that have tried to set themselves up for life after their savior. The Steelers finally went out and drafted a QB high this year in day two Joshua Dobbs, a dual-threat genius that has a chance to lead a roster if of course, given that chance after Ben Roethlisberger hangs up the cleats. Sure, the Steelers should probably draft another QB in next year's draft like a Luke Falk or Mason Rudolph to compete with Dobbs but at least with Dobbs you know there is something after Big Ben in Pittsburgh. With the Patriots, despite the fact they have Tom Brady playing at a ridiculous pace they know he won't last forever. It's why they drafted two QB's in the second and third round. Now, they did make the unfortunate mistake of trading away Jacoby Brissett who appears to have really found his stride in Indianapolis but Jimmy Garoppolo offers a future franchise QB after Brady. The same can actually be said of Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay. He's got a lot of years left but when he finally either leaves the Packers organization or he retires the Packers did draft a player they have been grooming under one of the greatest ever and that is Brett Hundley.

In conclusion, it's pretty safe to say that franchise QB's make your team viable. Just look at Deshaun Watson and how even though the Texans have lost their two best defensive players JJ Watt and Whitney Mercilus, no one is willing to count out Houston now that they appear to have a QB. The Rams couldn't have gone wrong with either Jared Goff or Carson Wentz. However, they could have severely butchered their chance at competing this season had they settled on value. The ripple effect of the NFL is telling us something. It's telling us that stars matter and franchise quarterbacks aren't just nice to have, they are the end all be all of the sport. Sure, Case Keenum looks great in Minnesota but how great will he look when there is two minutes left in a playoff game? That's when franchise quarterbacks answer the bell. What we saw this past Sunday out of young Goff is that when it mattered the most and when it came down to him to be as rock solid as can be. Goff was up for the challenge and led a Rams one-minute drive all the way down the field that came down to a dropped touchdown that ultimately lost them that game. Goff did that against a tough Seattle defense that gave him fits all game long. When it mattered though, Goff was able to stay locked in and give his team a chance to win the game. Case Keenum isn't going to do that. The Rams have their franchise QB and the future no matter what is bright for the Los Angeles Rams with No.16 under center.

The Option Offense Has Been Resurrected (Again)

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2017/10/11/16456776/option-offense-resurrection-chiefs-panthers-bears

The Option Offense Has Been Resurrected (Again)
How NFL teams like the Chiefs, Panthers, and, yes, even the Bears have folded option concepts into their playbooks to take advantage of mismatches and create on offense
BY DANNY KELLY

Throughout most of the modern era of pro football, the widely held belief was that option plays wouldn’t work in the NFL. Defenders were too good, teams were too fast, and most importantly, quarterbacks were too important (and highly paid) for coaches to expose them to so many big hits.

But, slowly at first, those college-style plays made their way into the pro game: Michael Vick, Warrick Dunn, and T.J. Duckett ran option plays with the Falcons in 2004, Vince Young ran some with the Titans in 2006 and 2007, and the Dolphins utilized the wildcat in 2008.

Option plays sprung back onto the scene in 2011 in Carolina with Cam Newton and in Denver with Tim Tebow, and in 2012 and 2013, a few more teams joined the party. The most notable were the run-based option offenses built around Robert Griffin III in Washington, Russell Wilson in Seattle, Colin Kaepernick in San Francisco, and Vick and Nick Foles in Philly. This boom of “read option” offenses was short-lived, though.

The Broncos signed Peyton Manning and traded Tebow to the Jets. Griffin tore up his knee (on a scramble play and subsequent sack, not on a read-option run) and was never the same. Jim Harbaugh left the 49ers and Kaepernick floundered. Chip Kelly washed out of the NFL. Both the Seahawks and Panthers cut down on quarterback keepers in order to protect their franchise players.

But while the read option (and by that I mean the extended family of option runs) may no longer function as the foundation of any team’s offense, those plays are anything but gone from the league. Their use has just evolved. As Sports Illustrated’s Albert Breer wrote last month, though teams have worked to better protect their quarterbacks, they still ran 2,022 plays and scored 63 touchdowns with the read option in 2016.

Teams run these plays less frequently, but they’re still effective. This year, we’ve seen the Panthers start going back to quarterback-oriented runs in order to kick-start a stalled offense. We’ve watched Andy Reid and the Chiefs mix an awesome and fun smorgasbord of option plays into his West Coast scheme, exploiting Alex Smith’s athleticism and experience as a college option quarterback.

The Bills utilize Tyrod Taylor as a threat on the ground, the Texans have leaned on option runs to best use rookie quarterback Deshaun Watson, and the Titans were still rolling out those plays when Marcus Mariota was healthy.

Hell, the most exciting moment from Monday Night Football’s matchup between the Bears and Vikings was this amazing double handoff option-pitch play on Chicago’s fourth-quarter two-point conversion that tied the game.

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On the play, quarterback Mitchell Trubisky hands off to running back Jordan Howard on a run to the left. Howard then hands back off to tight end (and former college option quarterback) Zach Miller, who is running back across the formation to the right and, in true old-school triple-option style, pitches it to Trubisky as soon as Miller draws a commitment from a defender.

With no defender left on Trubisky, he walked into the end zone. Right after it happened, colleague Rodger Sherman took to The Ringer’s Slack channel to describe it as “the most beautiful play in the history of any sport.” Most of us had never seen anything like it. You’d probably have to go back to 2000 to find the last time anyone in the NFL had run it.

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As for that play’s technical name, your guess is as good as mine. Football Outsiders’ Charles McDonald called it a “power read, shovel, [and] speed option all thrown into a blender.” That works for me. And it’s just one of a growing number of creative option-style runs that teams have turned to this year to confound defenses, move the ball, and score points.

Teams often use option run plays like a pitcher uses a changeup. It’s not your fastball; it’s the pitch you pull out only when the batter expects your bread-and-butter heater. In football, an option play can be one of many “constraint plays,” which, as Smart Football editor Chris B. Brown explains, “work on defenders who cheat.” Option plays like draw plays, bubble screens, and end arounds take advantage of players who relax on their fundamentals, rush in too fast, or get themselves out of position trying to make a big play.

Opponents of the Cowboys and Titans are probably getting sick of watching Ezekiel Elliott and DeMarco Murray constantly pick up positive yards on carries up the gut. Against both these teams, you’ll see edge defenders inch closer to the middle of the field and deep defenders get closer to the line of scrimmage—that’s where they’re most vulnerable for that changeup.

Late in the fourth quarter of the Green Bay–Dallas game on Sunday, quarterback Dak Prescott scored the go-ahead touchdown on a read-option keeper. Green Bay’s defense was expecting an Elliott run on third-and-1, and veteran linebacker Ahmad Brooks rushed in, unblocked, to tackle the Cowboys running back in the backfield. Except Prescott saw Brooks rush in, pulled the ball back, and ran it in himself, untouched.

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The Titans ran a similar concept in Week 4 against the Texans. As Houston edge defender Jadeveon Clowney crashed down the line with his eyes on Murray, quarterback Marcus Mariota pulled the ball back and ran 34 yards for the score.

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Don't be fooled—option plays aren’t about smoke and mirrors or the element of surprise. They aren’t trick plays, but rather provide a mathematical advantage worth exploiting. As former 49ers (and now Bears) defensive coordinator Vic Fangio said when he was in San Francisco, defending option plays “becomes a numbers game.

Your typical run, the quarterback hands off and it’s now their 10 against your 11. Now when he's a potential runner, it’s their 11 against your 11; and, they’re not even blocking one of the guys at the point of attack, so it actually becomes 11 against 10 if they do it right. The numbers are flipped.”

The Panthers put that numerical advantage to good use against the Lions last week when they ran a power shovel-option play for a touchdown. At the snap Newton strafed to his left; he had running back Jonathan Stewart on the outside for what looked like a standard option pitch, a staple in Carolina’s playbook for years.

But underneath, starting from the right side of the formation, rookie back Christian McCaffrey snuck behind the line to give Newton a second option on a shovel pass inside. As the Lions reacted, they over-pursued to the outside, with two defenders taking Stewart and a third focusing in on Newton. That left McCaffrey open on Newton’s right, and, after drawing the defender, he tossed it to the rookie, who found daylight for the score.

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No one has dug deeper into the option game this year than the Chiefs. Kansas City’s incorporated wildcat-style direct-snap plays to tight end Travis Kelce, and the team employs a wide variety of option plays from a multitude of formations. The most common has probably been their variation of the power shovel-option that we saw the Panthers run above.

Against the Eagles in Week 2, Kelce took a shovel pass from Smith and rumbled, tumbled, and leaped into the end zone for a score. There were a few keys to the play: First, receiver Tyreek Hill’s motion to the right prior to the snap confused the defense and carried a pair of second-level defenders out of the play.

Second, Smith holds the unblocked defensive end because of his threat to run. Third, the Chiefs get great blocking up front, and fourth, Kelce is a monster in the open field.

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For option runs to work, quarterbacks do need to keep the ball and run from time to time, and, used in excess, these plays can put those franchise players at risk. But this year we’re seeing teams figure out that they don’t have to make a choice between building their entire offense around these plays or ignoring option concepts altogether.

Instead, smart clubs—with athletic quarterbacks like Smith, Newton, Prescott, Mariota, Wilson, and Watson—have figured out how to effectively fold those plays into their core schemes. When option concepts are used as a small part of a bigger plan, and as just another tool in the play-calling toolbox, they are damn near impossible to defend with any consistency.

These plays stress defenses and confuse them, and force defenders to make impossible choices. We already see these concepts featured in just about every offense, and not just in the ground game: Run-pass options give quarterbacks the chance to throw downfield, too, depending on how the defense lines up and reacts.

The days of seeing quarterbacks carry the ball 120-plus times a year may be behind us, but option plays are here to stay.

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Morbid curiosity vs. Don't care. I'm torn

Ok, this might get locked immediately and if so that's fine I understand. But I kinda find this whole anthem/kneeling thing to be over blown media BS that's making the situation worse than it is. I understand both sides, it is what it is, I just want to watch football.

But, my morbid curiosity is getting the better of me with Jerry Jones saying anyone who kneels won't play. I RRRRRREEALLY want to see him actually back up his words when half the team kneels this week just to see the shit storm that'll follow towards him and the Cowboys. If it was most other teams I'd laugh it off and not care. I just can't help it, I hate crusty Jerruh and want to see him forced into backing up his mouth to the detriment of his team.

Ref for Rams@Jaguars

Not that it makes much of a difference. :baghead:
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http://www.footballzebras.com/2017/10/10/week-6-referee-assignments-2017/

Rams at Jaguars — Walt Coleman

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Coleman

Coleman made an instant replay call on January 19, 2002 in a game that lead to it becoming known as the "Tuck Rule Game". With 1:47 left, Oakland cornerback Charles Woodson knocked the ball from New England's quarterback Tom Brady. It was recovered by Oakland linebacker Greg Biekert.

The play was originally called a fumble. Coleman reviewed the play and overturned the fumble call to an incomplete pass using the tuck rule, which says that "any intentional forward movement of [the thrower's] arm starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body." In March 2013, league owners voted 29–1 to abolish the rule.

Coleman was the head official in the 2003 AFC Championship Game between the New England Patriots and Indianapolis Colts. Colts players later publicly complained that the officials did not properly call illegal contact, pass interference, and defensive holding penalties on the Patriots' defensive backs.

This, and similar complaints made by other NFL teams during that season, would prompt the NFL during the 2004 offseason to instruct all of the league's officials to strictly enforce these types of fouls (the "chuck" rule).

Coleman's 2017 NFL officiating crew consists of umpire Jeff Rice, down judge Derick Bowers, line judge Kevin Codey, field judge Scott Novak, side judge James Coleman, and back judge Terrence Miles.

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