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Complete Game Preview: Saints @ Rams
- By JKBOGEN
- RAMS / NFL TALK
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Complete Game Preview: Saints @ Rams
Last year the Rams went into New Orleans with a young rookie QB Jared Goff who stood toe-to-toe with legendary future Hall of Famer Drew Brees until the wheels completely fell off the wagon. This year it's not a 5-5 team versus a 4-6 team playing in desperation of making the playoffs. No, instead this year it's an 8-2 team taking on a 7-3 team playing for a first-round bye in the playoffs.
It's amazing what a year can do for a team in the NFL. It's not like the NBA where teams completely marinate in a bath of mediocrity. No, with the NFL injuries, trades, free agency acquisitions, coaching and draft picks can change the course of a season. As a matter of fact, I would even throw weather in there after seeing what the Hurricane did to the Miami Dolphins and Tampa Bay Buccaneers season. But that is all besides the point, the point is the Rams have taken a 4-12 team and have turned them into a playoff team.
The Saints, on the other hand, have taken a team that consistently finishes 8-8 and has turned them into a playoff team as well. On top of that, the Rams hiring of Sean McVay has led to the Rams offense going from worst to nearly first overnight while the Saints defense after drafting star rookie CB Marshon Lattimore and DL Sheldon Rankins last year have evolved into a scary defense.
Believe it or not these two are a reminder for the Browns of the world that it is possible for teams to simply get better. It's honestly crazy how much better the Rams offense have gotten with the addition of not only McVay at Head Coach, Matt LaFleur at Offensive Coordinator and Greg Olson at Quarterbacks Coach.
No, just look at the additions this team made on the offensive side of the ball signing Robert Woods at receiver, Andrew Whitworth to give their young QB a real left tackle, John Sullivan at the center position, drafting Cooper Kupp, Gerald Everett and Josh Reynolds to give Goff more weapons on offense for now in the future and of course making the extremely bold move to trade away a solid cornerback in E.J. Gaines and a second-round pick to acquire star WR Sammy Watkins. Moves like that make you better.
As for the Saints, the team made the bold decision to trade away star WR Brandin Cooks to New England for their first-round and third-round picks. The Saints ended up selecting Marshon Lattimore at the beginning of the draft to bolster the cornerback position and with the pick acquired from the Patriots, they selected the top tackle in the draft Ryan Ramczyk to bolster the tackle position.
Instantly, just of those picks alone, the Saints added a stalwart on the offensive line in Ramczyk who will be able to man the right tackle spot for years and added who is now looking like the possible best cornerback in football a couple of years from now in Lattimore. With Cooks, it was a little addition by subtraction but it's clearly panned out. That's not all, however, the Saints also added another stud at safety in Marcus Williams which allows the Saints to deploy their former first-round pick Kenny Vaccaro as a safety that can play around the line of scrimmage which best suits his skill-set.
On top of that, they drafted what was possibly one of the biggest steals of the draft in rookie star RB Alvin Kamara in the third-round that made their signing of Adrian Peterson useless. Drafting players like Alex Anzalone with Al-Quadin Muhammad will pay dividends down the road and the selection of Trey Hendrickson was huge especially now that their free agent Alex Okafor is out for the season.
So with all of that being said what do you need to know about this game? First off, the Saints quite possibly have the best offensive line in football. They are impressive in not only the push they get up front but just how athletic they are with their left tackle being Terron Armstead who is a physical freak, Andrus Peat who is a former first-round pick that has thrived at guard for this team, Max Unger who the franchise acquired for their former star tight end Jimmy Graham, Larry Warford who the organization signed via free agency and the right tackle Ramczyk.
It allows the Saints to do a ton with the offensive line being able to frequently open gaping holes for the running back duo of Mark Ingram and Kamara. On top of that, it keeps legendary QB Drew Brees clean in the pocket and gives him all day to throw.
They will be battle tested with the Rams defensive line up-front that has two forces in Aaron Donald and Michael Brockers that wreck the game. You can almost certainly expect Armstead at left tackle and Ramczyk at right tackle to dominate the struggling edge rushers Connor Barwin and Robert Quinn all game long so it will be up to the Rams interior lineman to make a play.
On the Rams offensive line, they are fully healthy and ready to go but there is a little concern after seeing what the Vikings did to them last week getting through and applying tons of pressure on Jared Goff who really paid the price for playing QB last week. This week the Rams offensive line will have to worry about two game wreckers in the form of Cam Jordan who has been dominant for years and hasn't received the credit and the second-year defensive lineman Sheldon Rankins who has found his groove now fully healthy.
The pressure will more than likely be on the Saints defensive line though with the injuries to Marshon Lattimore and Ken Crawley the defensive line will have a small margin for error and will need to get to Goff early and often to avoid a possible meltdown. Tyeler Davison and Trey Hendrickson will likely need to outmatch Rob Havenstein and Andrew Whitworth on the edge which will not be an easy task.
With the Saints receivers and as much talent as they possess with star WR Michael Thomas, Willie Snead, Ted Ginn Jr., Brandon Coleman and Kamara out of the backfield the Rams will be tested. Just like the Saints injury-ridden secondary, the Rams will be without their stud nickel cornerback Nickell Robey-Coleman so that means it will be up to likely Blake Countess to counter Ted Ginn Jr. or Willie Snead or even the 6-foot-6 frame of Brandon Coleman. Expect a battle between Trumaine Johnson and Michael Thomas all game long who have both had their ups and downs this season.
Switching over to the Rams receivers the team will be without Robert Woods who is by far their most consistent and most productive this season so it will be up to a struggling Sammy Watkins, Cooper Kupp, Tavon Austin, Pharoh Cooper, Mike Thomas and rookie Josh Reynolds to make some plays to potentially break this game open. You could certainly see a good bunch of tight ends for the Rams in Tyler Higbee and Gerald Everett bully linebackers Craig Robertson and Manti Te'o if necessary.
Game Prediction:
Overall, I think you are looking at two really good football teams that no one wants to play come late January. I expect the running game of the Saints to have their way with the Rams defense early on but I also expect Wade Phillips to make adjustments and buckle down in the second half. We are looking at an exciting game but with Marshon Lattimore and Ken Crawley out, I think the Saints defensive line will be under way too much pressure to make some plays.
I think in games like this you may see an incredible amount of blitzes and I could see coordinator Dennis Allen go that route in what would backfire into a Sammy Watkins touchdown. Goff threw three touchdowns against this team in the first half last year and the reason the Saints pulled away at the end was because of the over the top blitzing by coordinator Gregg Williams that left the Rams susceptible to being gashed for the big play.
Also in that game, Greg Robinson the left tackle and Tim Barnes the center could not give Goff the time of the day to throw the ball in the second half. It's a different team on both sides but more has been done to improve the Rams and as great as Drew Brees and that offense has looked, they do have two losses on their schedule. They have won eight straight but with the injuries, playing on the road and the opposing team coming off the loss they just came off of I expect the Rams to edge the Saints in this one.
Final: Rams 34, Saints 24
Last year the Rams went into New Orleans with a young rookie QB Jared Goff who stood toe-to-toe with legendary future Hall of Famer Drew Brees until the wheels completely fell off the wagon. This year it's not a 5-5 team versus a 4-6 team playing in desperation of making the playoffs. No, instead this year it's an 8-2 team taking on a 7-3 team playing for a first-round bye in the playoffs.
It's amazing what a year can do for a team in the NFL. It's not like the NBA where teams completely marinate in a bath of mediocrity. No, with the NFL injuries, trades, free agency acquisitions, coaching and draft picks can change the course of a season. As a matter of fact, I would even throw weather in there after seeing what the Hurricane did to the Miami Dolphins and Tampa Bay Buccaneers season. But that is all besides the point, the point is the Rams have taken a 4-12 team and have turned them into a playoff team.
The Saints, on the other hand, have taken a team that consistently finishes 8-8 and has turned them into a playoff team as well. On top of that, the Rams hiring of Sean McVay has led to the Rams offense going from worst to nearly first overnight while the Saints defense after drafting star rookie CB Marshon Lattimore and DL Sheldon Rankins last year have evolved into a scary defense.
Believe it or not these two are a reminder for the Browns of the world that it is possible for teams to simply get better. It's honestly crazy how much better the Rams offense have gotten with the addition of not only McVay at Head Coach, Matt LaFleur at Offensive Coordinator and Greg Olson at Quarterbacks Coach.
No, just look at the additions this team made on the offensive side of the ball signing Robert Woods at receiver, Andrew Whitworth to give their young QB a real left tackle, John Sullivan at the center position, drafting Cooper Kupp, Gerald Everett and Josh Reynolds to give Goff more weapons on offense for now in the future and of course making the extremely bold move to trade away a solid cornerback in E.J. Gaines and a second-round pick to acquire star WR Sammy Watkins. Moves like that make you better.
As for the Saints, the team made the bold decision to trade away star WR Brandin Cooks to New England for their first-round and third-round picks. The Saints ended up selecting Marshon Lattimore at the beginning of the draft to bolster the cornerback position and with the pick acquired from the Patriots, they selected the top tackle in the draft Ryan Ramczyk to bolster the tackle position.
Instantly, just of those picks alone, the Saints added a stalwart on the offensive line in Ramczyk who will be able to man the right tackle spot for years and added who is now looking like the possible best cornerback in football a couple of years from now in Lattimore. With Cooks, it was a little addition by subtraction but it's clearly panned out. That's not all, however, the Saints also added another stud at safety in Marcus Williams which allows the Saints to deploy their former first-round pick Kenny Vaccaro as a safety that can play around the line of scrimmage which best suits his skill-set.
On top of that, they drafted what was possibly one of the biggest steals of the draft in rookie star RB Alvin Kamara in the third-round that made their signing of Adrian Peterson useless. Drafting players like Alex Anzalone with Al-Quadin Muhammad will pay dividends down the road and the selection of Trey Hendrickson was huge especially now that their free agent Alex Okafor is out for the season.
So with all of that being said what do you need to know about this game? First off, the Saints quite possibly have the best offensive line in football. They are impressive in not only the push they get up front but just how athletic they are with their left tackle being Terron Armstead who is a physical freak, Andrus Peat who is a former first-round pick that has thrived at guard for this team, Max Unger who the franchise acquired for their former star tight end Jimmy Graham, Larry Warford who the organization signed via free agency and the right tackle Ramczyk.
It allows the Saints to do a ton with the offensive line being able to frequently open gaping holes for the running back duo of Mark Ingram and Kamara. On top of that, it keeps legendary QB Drew Brees clean in the pocket and gives him all day to throw.
They will be battle tested with the Rams defensive line up-front that has two forces in Aaron Donald and Michael Brockers that wreck the game. You can almost certainly expect Armstead at left tackle and Ramczyk at right tackle to dominate the struggling edge rushers Connor Barwin and Robert Quinn all game long so it will be up to the Rams interior lineman to make a play.
On the Rams offensive line, they are fully healthy and ready to go but there is a little concern after seeing what the Vikings did to them last week getting through and applying tons of pressure on Jared Goff who really paid the price for playing QB last week. This week the Rams offensive line will have to worry about two game wreckers in the form of Cam Jordan who has been dominant for years and hasn't received the credit and the second-year defensive lineman Sheldon Rankins who has found his groove now fully healthy.
The pressure will more than likely be on the Saints defensive line though with the injuries to Marshon Lattimore and Ken Crawley the defensive line will have a small margin for error and will need to get to Goff early and often to avoid a possible meltdown. Tyeler Davison and Trey Hendrickson will likely need to outmatch Rob Havenstein and Andrew Whitworth on the edge which will not be an easy task.
With the Saints receivers and as much talent as they possess with star WR Michael Thomas, Willie Snead, Ted Ginn Jr., Brandon Coleman and Kamara out of the backfield the Rams will be tested. Just like the Saints injury-ridden secondary, the Rams will be without their stud nickel cornerback Nickell Robey-Coleman so that means it will be up to likely Blake Countess to counter Ted Ginn Jr. or Willie Snead or even the 6-foot-6 frame of Brandon Coleman. Expect a battle between Trumaine Johnson and Michael Thomas all game long who have both had their ups and downs this season.
Switching over to the Rams receivers the team will be without Robert Woods who is by far their most consistent and most productive this season so it will be up to a struggling Sammy Watkins, Cooper Kupp, Tavon Austin, Pharoh Cooper, Mike Thomas and rookie Josh Reynolds to make some plays to potentially break this game open. You could certainly see a good bunch of tight ends for the Rams in Tyler Higbee and Gerald Everett bully linebackers Craig Robertson and Manti Te'o if necessary.
Game Prediction:
Overall, I think you are looking at two really good football teams that no one wants to play come late January. I expect the running game of the Saints to have their way with the Rams defense early on but I also expect Wade Phillips to make adjustments and buckle down in the second half. We are looking at an exciting game but with Marshon Lattimore and Ken Crawley out, I think the Saints defensive line will be under way too much pressure to make some plays.
I think in games like this you may see an incredible amount of blitzes and I could see coordinator Dennis Allen go that route in what would backfire into a Sammy Watkins touchdown. Goff threw three touchdowns against this team in the first half last year and the reason the Saints pulled away at the end was because of the over the top blitzing by coordinator Gregg Williams that left the Rams susceptible to being gashed for the big play.
Also in that game, Greg Robinson the left tackle and Tim Barnes the center could not give Goff the time of the day to throw the ball in the second half. It's a different team on both sides but more has been done to improve the Rams and as great as Drew Brees and that offense has looked, they do have two losses on their schedule. They have won eight straight but with the injuries, playing on the road and the opposing team coming off the loss they just came off of I expect the Rams to edge the Saints in this one.
Final: Rams 34, Saints 24
What we can learn from Case Keenum's star turn and what's next
- By Zero
- RAMS / NFL TALK
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http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21533844/what-learn-star-turn-case-keenum-minnesota-vikings-whether-re-signed-2017-nfl
If you happened to be watching football with some less enthusiastic football-watching members of your family on Thanksgiving, you probably had to explain who exactly Case Keenum was as the Vikings quarterback sliced up the Lions. Maybe your aunt remembered Keenum from his time in college or your brother-in-law in Los Angeles saw him start a Rams game last season with 35,000 of his friends. Nobody would have looked at the Thanksgiving slate before the season and figured we would be talking about Keenum the following day.
Case Keenum leads Vikings over Lions, solidifying NFC North grip
Case Keenum had one of his better statistical games this season, and the Thanksgiving win in Detroit also qualifies as one of his most complete.
Here we are, though, and it's not to talk about the 29-year-old as a flash in the pan. Keenum has been one of the most efficient and effective quarterbacks in football this season, and though you might expect a player with Keenum's track record to cool off after a few games, he is actually getting hotter. Two weeks ago, the Houston product dominated against Washington before throwing two late picks, which led to speculation that Teddy Bridgewaterwould soon reclaim his starting role. In the two games since, Keenum has thrown for 562 yards and three scores without an interception, good for a 110.0 passer rating and an opponent-adjusted QBR of 89.2.
With every week Keenum continues to play at a high level, it seems more and more likely that the once-undrafted free agent will be able to keep playing this well for the remainder of the season. Keenum has become one of the most fascinating stories of this NFL season, and his performance challenges or clarifies a lot of the theories you'll hear to explain professional football. Even if Keenum does fall back toward the pack and give way to Bridgewater, there's a lot to learn about the football universe from his role on a 9-2 Vikings team.
Let's run through a few of the Keenum arguments here before we take a look at his future, both inside and outside Minnesota.
Coaching matters
It's telling that the two biggest quarterback surprises of the 2017 season were on the same team last season and didn't play very well. Keenum began his 2016 campaign as the starter for the Rams before giving way to first overall pick Jared Goff. Keenum was mediocre, and Goff was worse. The difference in their combined numbers from 2016 to 2017 is truly staggering:
Alex Smith before failing to improve Sam Bradford amid injuries. Cignetti was replaced in 2016 by Rob Boras, the team's tight ends coach, who hadn't called plays since he served as the offensive coordinator for a below-average UNLV offense in 2003. The quarterbacks coach in that two-year stretch was NFL veteran Chris Weinke, who previously worked at the IMG Academy and hadn't coached for a team at the college or professional level.
Things are different this season. Goff's breakout under new coach Sean McVay in Los Angeles is certainly no secret. In Minnesota, though, Keenum has succeeded under offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur, who was overmatched as a head coach in Cleveland. As an offensive mind, however, Shurmur's résumé includes seven years as a quarterbacks coach with Andy Reid in Philadelphia, a promising debut season with Bradford in St. Louis and three years as the coordinator of an above-average offense under Chip Kelly in Philadelphia. Quarterbacks coach Kevin Stefanski, meanwhile, has survived several coaching changes in Minnesota and coached nearly every position on offense for the Vikings over the past five years, which is a tellingly rare recent history for a positional coach.
Josh McCown, Brian Hoyer, Matt Barkley, Jay Cutler and Mike Glennon, the latter of whom will cost the Bears $18.5 million before he is released. Keenum had relatively similar statistics to those of the better options within that group over the past five seasons, but he just wasn't taken as seriously.
The Vikings benefited, in a way, by keeping their budget low. They didn't spend a ton of money to go after a backup, given Bradford's $18 million cap hit, and the millions of dollars they saved by going after Keenum as opposed to McCown, Cutler or Glennon went elsewhere on their roster. The premiums teams pay for an even lower tier of backup -- guys such as Matt Cassel and Matt Schaub -- are still more than what Minnesota paid for Keenum, and those quarterbacks are hopeless on the field.
General manager Rick Spielman took the more than $23 million the Vikings had on their cap for Adrian Peterson and Matt Kalil last season and applied it to offensive line upgrades. Minnesota signed a pair of new tackles in Riley Reiff and Mike Remmers, who cost $13.6 million on the Vikings' cap this season. Minnesota also finally nailed a midround draft pick by nabbing Ohio State center Pat Elflein, who has started from day one and looks to be the franchise's long-term successor to John Sullivan.
With an offensive line and a pair of blossoming young receivers in Stefon Diggsand Adam Thielen, the Vikings gave Keenum everything he needed to succeed. Look at how quarterbacks such as Derek Carr and Dak Prescott excelled last season in similarly friendly situations before taking a step backward this season as their infrastructure crumbled. Keenum has gone the opposite route.
If you're going to take a flier on a quarterback, don't look for the same sort of prototype you're chasing with the first overall pick
The excitement the Bears -- and others -- had around Glennon was that he looked like the exact sort of quarterback teams hope to grab coming out of the draft: a tall (6-foot-6) pocket passer with "A-plus arm talent." Never mind his below-average accuracy at both the college and professional levels or the middling sack rates he posted with the Buccaneers, issues the Bears could mitigate only by having him throw the league's second-shortest passes (an average of 6.11 air yards per throw) before he was benched.
The problem with going after guys with Glennon's sort of physical prototype is that quarterbacks who look and throw like Glennon and also can play quarterback at a high level almost always are drafted with one of the first picks. They don't fall to the third round. They don't get benched after two years for Josh McCown, and if they're really plausible franchise quarterbacks, the team that has them doesn't draft another quarterback with the first overall pick. Glennon was given every chance to succeed because he looks like an athletic CEO.
Russell Wilson fell to the third round because he is 5-foot-11. Tyrod Taylor is 6-foot-1. Prescott is 6-foot-2 but came out of a run-heavy spread scheme in school. His predecessor, Tony Romo, was a 6-2 small-school product who succeeded with an unteachable style of extending plays. There will be exceptions, but even Tom Brady had to drastically improve his arm strength during a rookie season on the sidelines before he emerged as a viable quarterback.
Keenum is 6-foot-1, below the 6-foot-2 minimum some teams place on quarterback prospects. He didn't have a strong arm coming out of Houston, where he ran a spread attack. Keenum was accurate and outperformed the other quarterbacks on his various rosters in three of his four pro seasons with meaningful reps, but teams start from the perception that players who look and throw like Glennon will succeed and players who look and throw like Keenum will fail.
With that in mind, though it still might make sense to go after a guy who looks like Matt Ryan or Carson Wentz if you're drafting with one of the first few selections, as those players come off the board, you're better off looking for talent before size or arm strength.
The idea that there aren't 32 good NFL quarterbacks is overstated
Nobody would have said that Keenum was an upper-echelon starter before this season. If anything, they would have held up Keenum's 24 pro starts as proof that there weren't enough good quarterbacks to go around in the NFL. Yet here we are in Week 12, and Keenum ranks second in Total QBR and 10th in passer rating through 10 games and 330 pass attempts. If he isn't a good quarterback, he sure is doing a wicked impersonation of one.
You might argue that Keenum is in a great situation to succeed given the quality of his defense and his receivers, and I'd agree. If Keenum can look like a Pro Bowler in that context, though, we need to change the way we talk about scarcity. Instead of saying that there aren't 32 good quarterbacks to go around, we should be saying that there aren't 32 good situations for quarterbacks at any given time in the NFL.
As I've mentioned in the past, we -- NFL executives and fans alike -- overestimate our knowledge of and ability to scout quarterbacks. Before the season, how many people would have pegged Goff and Keenum to look like top-10 quarterbacks? Would we have given up on Goff after two years if the Rams hadn't fired Fisher and brought back their stifling offensive infrastructure? If the Cowboys had successfully traded up for Paxton Lynch, Prescott might be a backup behind Kirk Cousins in Washington with six pass attempts to his name. There are guys lurking on benches or struggling right now who will prove themselves to be useful NFL quarterbacks. We just don't know who they are until they get the opportunity.
Aaron Rodgers hurt and the Vikings turning away Matthew Stafford & Co. in Detroit on Thursday, Minnesota is a 98.2 percent favorite to win the North for the second time in three seasons. It's hard to imagine that anyone would have believed the Vikings capable of winning the division with a quarterback like Keenum, including the Vikings themselves, given that they traded a first-round pick to acquire Bradford last year once Bridgewater went down in lieu of turning things over to a player of a pedigree similar to Keenum's in Shaun Hill.
It seems ridiculous to take things a step further and imagine Keenum holding up the Lombardi trophy on Minnesota's home turf in February, but the idea that there's a cutoff point among quarterbacks when it comes to winning a Super Bowl just isn't supported by history. It's one thing that Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl with the historically great defense of the 2000 Ravens. It's another to think of Eli Manning winning with the 2007 Giants during a season in which he led the NFL in interceptions and had a defense that finished 13th in DVOA. Or to think of Joe Flacco winning a title in 2012 with the league's 19th-ranked defense by DVOA.
Both of those defenses played better during the playoffs, and their respective quarterbacks put together glowing stretches of play in January. And that's all it is. Any quarterback can win a Super Bowl if he gets some help from his defense and gets hot for a three- or four-game stretch in the postseason. The ideal postseason run would look a lot like how the Vikings have performed the entirety of the season, and Keenum has been on a two-month hot streak.
Of course, the possibility exists that the Vikings make a deep playoff run without Keenum under center. It has seemed likely for weeks now that the Vikings will eventually turn back to Bridgewater. When Keenum threw those two late interceptions to put the lead in question against Washington, coach Mike Zimmer seemed to take his time and consider a change before announcing Keenum as the starter the following week.
I'm not sure there's a strong case to insert Bridgewater as the starter right now, and that's coming from someone who loves Bridgewater and thinks he's a franchise quarterback. It's not as if making the change to Bridgewater would unlock some new stylistic or schematic possibilities for the Vikings in the way that, say, swapping Alex Smith for Colin Kaepernick worked for the 49ers or Patrick Mahomes for Smith might work for the Chiefs. Keenum and Bridgewater are both going to succeed with their accuracy at the expense of marginal arm strength while using their footwork and instincts within the pocket to avoid big hits.
At the same time, Keenum is doing a better job of playing the Bridgewater role than Bridgewater ever did in his NFL career. Keenum's numbers across the board in 2017 -- particularly his remarkably low sack rate -- top Bridgewater's marks before the torn ACL. While it's fair to say that Bridgewater possesses more upside than we would have expected Keenum to hold before the season, the best-case scenario for a Bridgewater campaign in 2017 would look a lot like what we're seeing from Keenum right now.
Given how he has played, it seems fair for the Vikings to give Keenum both the job and a reasonable leash on his role. He shouldn't be one bad game or one bad pass from being benched, though it seems fair to give Bridgewater the nod if Keenum pieces together a couple of mediocre performances. If the Vikings lock themselves into a playoff berth by Week 17, it would seem logical to name Keenum the postseason starter and give Bridgewater the final game of the season against the Bears to get loose in case he's needed during the playoffs.
Teddy Bridgewater hasn't played since the end of the 2015 season, in which he threw 14 touchdown passes and nine interceptions while completing 65.3 percent of his passes. Tommy Gilligan-USA TODAY Sports
Will the Vikings re-sign Keenum?
Perhaps most fascinating of all is what comes next. All three of the Vikings' quarterbacks are due to become unrestricted free agents after the season, and there's no clear favorite among the three as to who might come back for 2018. Bradford played well given the circumstances last season, and though his knee might give the Vikings pause in handing out a long-term deal, Minnesota might be amenable to a short-term deal. Bridgewater was an organizational favorite before his own knee injury and would likely come cheaply, given the missing years on his résumé. And given how Keenum has played, why wouldn't the Vikings consider giving him a raise and locking him in for the next year or two?
Most teams would love to have these sorts of problems and think the issue of infrastructure for the Vikings makes it less important for them to re-sign any of these guys. They don't need a ton out of their quarterback to win, and they've managed to succeed over most of the past three seasons with three guys who were either unwanted by most of the league or desperate acquisitions just before the season started. (Their one dismal stretch, the second half of 2016, came as the defense declined.)
I wouldn't say the Vikings can plug anybody in at quarterback and succeed, but as long as the coaching staff, the defense and the offensive line are here to stay, Minnesota might be better off opting for low-cost, high-accuracy options at quarterback and using the savings to re-sign future free agents such as Anthony Barr, Stefon Diggs and Danielle Hunter. If that means giving Keenum a raise to $7.5 million per season or signing Bridgewater to a team-friendly extension, that seems smart. If it means importing a veteran (and possible free agent) such as Alex Smith or Tyrod Taylor who might be willing to take less money in search of a ring, that could work too.
As for Keenum, he has certainly graduated from below-level backup money to the highest tier of backups, which should put him in the $6 million to $7 million per season range this offseason. What comes next will determine whether he goes any higher. The league decided a long time ago that Keenum was likely to fail as a pro, and he spent most of his time in the NFL confirming that belief. Now that he's succeeding, he'll have to prove the consensus wrong time and again before he gets his chance. Even if Keenum isn't this good the rest of the way, he should land on a cushion of life-changing money when he falls back to earth.
If you happened to be watching football with some less enthusiastic football-watching members of your family on Thanksgiving, you probably had to explain who exactly Case Keenum was as the Vikings quarterback sliced up the Lions. Maybe your aunt remembered Keenum from his time in college or your brother-in-law in Los Angeles saw him start a Rams game last season with 35,000 of his friends. Nobody would have looked at the Thanksgiving slate before the season and figured we would be talking about Keenum the following day.
Case Keenum leads Vikings over Lions, solidifying NFC North grip
Case Keenum had one of his better statistical games this season, and the Thanksgiving win in Detroit also qualifies as one of his most complete.
Here we are, though, and it's not to talk about the 29-year-old as a flash in the pan. Keenum has been one of the most efficient and effective quarterbacks in football this season, and though you might expect a player with Keenum's track record to cool off after a few games, he is actually getting hotter. Two weeks ago, the Houston product dominated against Washington before throwing two late picks, which led to speculation that Teddy Bridgewaterwould soon reclaim his starting role. In the two games since, Keenum has thrown for 562 yards and three scores without an interception, good for a 110.0 passer rating and an opponent-adjusted QBR of 89.2.
With every week Keenum continues to play at a high level, it seems more and more likely that the once-undrafted free agent will be able to keep playing this well for the remainder of the season. Keenum has become one of the most fascinating stories of this NFL season, and his performance challenges or clarifies a lot of the theories you'll hear to explain professional football. Even if Keenum does fall back toward the pack and give way to Bridgewater, there's a lot to learn about the football universe from his role on a 9-2 Vikings team.
Let's run through a few of the Keenum arguments here before we take a look at his future, both inside and outside Minnesota.
Coaching matters
It's telling that the two biggest quarterback surprises of the 2017 season were on the same team last season and didn't play very well. Keenum began his 2016 campaign as the starter for the Rams before giving way to first overall pick Jared Goff. Keenum was mediocre, and Goff was worse. The difference in their combined numbers from 2016 to 2017 is truly staggering:
Alex Smith before failing to improve Sam Bradford amid injuries. Cignetti was replaced in 2016 by Rob Boras, the team's tight ends coach, who hadn't called plays since he served as the offensive coordinator for a below-average UNLV offense in 2003. The quarterbacks coach in that two-year stretch was NFL veteran Chris Weinke, who previously worked at the IMG Academy and hadn't coached for a team at the college or professional level.
Things are different this season. Goff's breakout under new coach Sean McVay in Los Angeles is certainly no secret. In Minnesota, though, Keenum has succeeded under offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur, who was overmatched as a head coach in Cleveland. As an offensive mind, however, Shurmur's résumé includes seven years as a quarterbacks coach with Andy Reid in Philadelphia, a promising debut season with Bradford in St. Louis and three years as the coordinator of an above-average offense under Chip Kelly in Philadelphia. Quarterbacks coach Kevin Stefanski, meanwhile, has survived several coaching changes in Minnesota and coached nearly every position on offense for the Vikings over the past five years, which is a tellingly rare recent history for a positional coach.
Josh McCown, Brian Hoyer, Matt Barkley, Jay Cutler and Mike Glennon, the latter of whom will cost the Bears $18.5 million before he is released. Keenum had relatively similar statistics to those of the better options within that group over the past five seasons, but he just wasn't taken as seriously.
The Vikings benefited, in a way, by keeping their budget low. They didn't spend a ton of money to go after a backup, given Bradford's $18 million cap hit, and the millions of dollars they saved by going after Keenum as opposed to McCown, Cutler or Glennon went elsewhere on their roster. The premiums teams pay for an even lower tier of backup -- guys such as Matt Cassel and Matt Schaub -- are still more than what Minnesota paid for Keenum, and those quarterbacks are hopeless on the field.
General manager Rick Spielman took the more than $23 million the Vikings had on their cap for Adrian Peterson and Matt Kalil last season and applied it to offensive line upgrades. Minnesota signed a pair of new tackles in Riley Reiff and Mike Remmers, who cost $13.6 million on the Vikings' cap this season. Minnesota also finally nailed a midround draft pick by nabbing Ohio State center Pat Elflein, who has started from day one and looks to be the franchise's long-term successor to John Sullivan.
With an offensive line and a pair of blossoming young receivers in Stefon Diggsand Adam Thielen, the Vikings gave Keenum everything he needed to succeed. Look at how quarterbacks such as Derek Carr and Dak Prescott excelled last season in similarly friendly situations before taking a step backward this season as their infrastructure crumbled. Keenum has gone the opposite route.
If you're going to take a flier on a quarterback, don't look for the same sort of prototype you're chasing with the first overall pick
The excitement the Bears -- and others -- had around Glennon was that he looked like the exact sort of quarterback teams hope to grab coming out of the draft: a tall (6-foot-6) pocket passer with "A-plus arm talent." Never mind his below-average accuracy at both the college and professional levels or the middling sack rates he posted with the Buccaneers, issues the Bears could mitigate only by having him throw the league's second-shortest passes (an average of 6.11 air yards per throw) before he was benched.
The problem with going after guys with Glennon's sort of physical prototype is that quarterbacks who look and throw like Glennon and also can play quarterback at a high level almost always are drafted with one of the first picks. They don't fall to the third round. They don't get benched after two years for Josh McCown, and if they're really plausible franchise quarterbacks, the team that has them doesn't draft another quarterback with the first overall pick. Glennon was given every chance to succeed because he looks like an athletic CEO.
Russell Wilson fell to the third round because he is 5-foot-11. Tyrod Taylor is 6-foot-1. Prescott is 6-foot-2 but came out of a run-heavy spread scheme in school. His predecessor, Tony Romo, was a 6-2 small-school product who succeeded with an unteachable style of extending plays. There will be exceptions, but even Tom Brady had to drastically improve his arm strength during a rookie season on the sidelines before he emerged as a viable quarterback.
Keenum is 6-foot-1, below the 6-foot-2 minimum some teams place on quarterback prospects. He didn't have a strong arm coming out of Houston, where he ran a spread attack. Keenum was accurate and outperformed the other quarterbacks on his various rosters in three of his four pro seasons with meaningful reps, but teams start from the perception that players who look and throw like Glennon will succeed and players who look and throw like Keenum will fail.
With that in mind, though it still might make sense to go after a guy who looks like Matt Ryan or Carson Wentz if you're drafting with one of the first few selections, as those players come off the board, you're better off looking for talent before size or arm strength.
The idea that there aren't 32 good NFL quarterbacks is overstated
Nobody would have said that Keenum was an upper-echelon starter before this season. If anything, they would have held up Keenum's 24 pro starts as proof that there weren't enough good quarterbacks to go around in the NFL. Yet here we are in Week 12, and Keenum ranks second in Total QBR and 10th in passer rating through 10 games and 330 pass attempts. If he isn't a good quarterback, he sure is doing a wicked impersonation of one.
You might argue that Keenum is in a great situation to succeed given the quality of his defense and his receivers, and I'd agree. If Keenum can look like a Pro Bowler in that context, though, we need to change the way we talk about scarcity. Instead of saying that there aren't 32 good quarterbacks to go around, we should be saying that there aren't 32 good situations for quarterbacks at any given time in the NFL.
As I've mentioned in the past, we -- NFL executives and fans alike -- overestimate our knowledge of and ability to scout quarterbacks. Before the season, how many people would have pegged Goff and Keenum to look like top-10 quarterbacks? Would we have given up on Goff after two years if the Rams hadn't fired Fisher and brought back their stifling offensive infrastructure? If the Cowboys had successfully traded up for Paxton Lynch, Prescott might be a backup behind Kirk Cousins in Washington with six pass attempts to his name. There are guys lurking on benches or struggling right now who will prove themselves to be useful NFL quarterbacks. We just don't know who they are until they get the opportunity.
Aaron Rodgers hurt and the Vikings turning away Matthew Stafford & Co. in Detroit on Thursday, Minnesota is a 98.2 percent favorite to win the North for the second time in three seasons. It's hard to imagine that anyone would have believed the Vikings capable of winning the division with a quarterback like Keenum, including the Vikings themselves, given that they traded a first-round pick to acquire Bradford last year once Bridgewater went down in lieu of turning things over to a player of a pedigree similar to Keenum's in Shaun Hill.
It seems ridiculous to take things a step further and imagine Keenum holding up the Lombardi trophy on Minnesota's home turf in February, but the idea that there's a cutoff point among quarterbacks when it comes to winning a Super Bowl just isn't supported by history. It's one thing that Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl with the historically great defense of the 2000 Ravens. It's another to think of Eli Manning winning with the 2007 Giants during a season in which he led the NFL in interceptions and had a defense that finished 13th in DVOA. Or to think of Joe Flacco winning a title in 2012 with the league's 19th-ranked defense by DVOA.
Both of those defenses played better during the playoffs, and their respective quarterbacks put together glowing stretches of play in January. And that's all it is. Any quarterback can win a Super Bowl if he gets some help from his defense and gets hot for a three- or four-game stretch in the postseason. The ideal postseason run would look a lot like how the Vikings have performed the entirety of the season, and Keenum has been on a two-month hot streak.
Of course, the possibility exists that the Vikings make a deep playoff run without Keenum under center. It has seemed likely for weeks now that the Vikings will eventually turn back to Bridgewater. When Keenum threw those two late interceptions to put the lead in question against Washington, coach Mike Zimmer seemed to take his time and consider a change before announcing Keenum as the starter the following week.
I'm not sure there's a strong case to insert Bridgewater as the starter right now, and that's coming from someone who loves Bridgewater and thinks he's a franchise quarterback. It's not as if making the change to Bridgewater would unlock some new stylistic or schematic possibilities for the Vikings in the way that, say, swapping Alex Smith for Colin Kaepernick worked for the 49ers or Patrick Mahomes for Smith might work for the Chiefs. Keenum and Bridgewater are both going to succeed with their accuracy at the expense of marginal arm strength while using their footwork and instincts within the pocket to avoid big hits.
At the same time, Keenum is doing a better job of playing the Bridgewater role than Bridgewater ever did in his NFL career. Keenum's numbers across the board in 2017 -- particularly his remarkably low sack rate -- top Bridgewater's marks before the torn ACL. While it's fair to say that Bridgewater possesses more upside than we would have expected Keenum to hold before the season, the best-case scenario for a Bridgewater campaign in 2017 would look a lot like what we're seeing from Keenum right now.
Given how he has played, it seems fair for the Vikings to give Keenum both the job and a reasonable leash on his role. He shouldn't be one bad game or one bad pass from being benched, though it seems fair to give Bridgewater the nod if Keenum pieces together a couple of mediocre performances. If the Vikings lock themselves into a playoff berth by Week 17, it would seem logical to name Keenum the postseason starter and give Bridgewater the final game of the season against the Bears to get loose in case he's needed during the playoffs.
Teddy Bridgewater hasn't played since the end of the 2015 season, in which he threw 14 touchdown passes and nine interceptions while completing 65.3 percent of his passes. Tommy Gilligan-USA TODAY Sports
Will the Vikings re-sign Keenum?
Perhaps most fascinating of all is what comes next. All three of the Vikings' quarterbacks are due to become unrestricted free agents after the season, and there's no clear favorite among the three as to who might come back for 2018. Bradford played well given the circumstances last season, and though his knee might give the Vikings pause in handing out a long-term deal, Minnesota might be amenable to a short-term deal. Bridgewater was an organizational favorite before his own knee injury and would likely come cheaply, given the missing years on his résumé. And given how Keenum has played, why wouldn't the Vikings consider giving him a raise and locking him in for the next year or two?
Most teams would love to have these sorts of problems and think the issue of infrastructure for the Vikings makes it less important for them to re-sign any of these guys. They don't need a ton out of their quarterback to win, and they've managed to succeed over most of the past three seasons with three guys who were either unwanted by most of the league or desperate acquisitions just before the season started. (Their one dismal stretch, the second half of 2016, came as the defense declined.)
I wouldn't say the Vikings can plug anybody in at quarterback and succeed, but as long as the coaching staff, the defense and the offensive line are here to stay, Minnesota might be better off opting for low-cost, high-accuracy options at quarterback and using the savings to re-sign future free agents such as Anthony Barr, Stefon Diggs and Danielle Hunter. If that means giving Keenum a raise to $7.5 million per season or signing Bridgewater to a team-friendly extension, that seems smart. If it means importing a veteran (and possible free agent) such as Alex Smith or Tyrod Taylor who might be willing to take less money in search of a ring, that could work too.
As for Keenum, he has certainly graduated from below-level backup money to the highest tier of backups, which should put him in the $6 million to $7 million per season range this offseason. What comes next will determine whether he goes any higher. The league decided a long time ago that Keenum was likely to fail as a pro, and he spent most of his time in the NFL confirming that belief. Now that he's succeeding, he'll have to prove the consensus wrong time and again before he gets his chance. Even if Keenum isn't this good the rest of the way, he should land on a cushion of life-changing money when he falls back to earth.
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Joyner is a baller. Only going to continue to get better too as he learns the position better and learns from Wade. Very versatile player too. Still can’t believe some posters aren’t a fan of his
Joyner is a baller. Only going to continue to get better too as he learns the position better and learns from Wade. Very versatile player too. Still can’t believe some posters aren’t a fan of his
I'm quite sure that losing to the Saints and Eagles has crossed.......
- By Florida_Ram
- RAMS / NFL TALK
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Has crossed many minds on the ROD forum.
I mean, if we're being honest with each other about the Saints and Eagles games at home in LA being the true indicator of how to judge the Rams about their chances of making a run in the playoffs etc...
Even if our Rams collapsed but the Seahawks fold and hand us the NFC West Title, very few realists on the board will have faith that this team will do anything in the NFL playoff tournament other than a first round wildcard victory.
A select few of you might think differently but 2 of the next 3 games will likely tell us how good or almost good the Rams really are in 2017.
I'm aware that practically all of you already know this, so I'm not shedding any new light on your gifted football expertise.
(this is assuming the Rams beat a team like the Cardinals in between the Saints & Eagles games)
Getting a split with the top 2 NFC teams (Saints, Eagles) should reveal that we belong in the conversation as playoff spoilers and a mini run or more if the ball bounces our way.
Getting a sweep against the Saints and Eagles would send this board into a frenzy! (again assuming the Rams also beat the Cardinals)
I know, the most important thing is simply getting a playoff birth..
This is why I'm opening this seasons Rams present one game at a time and enjoying every single snap until they're out of the picture or holding up the sacred Lombardi trophy. We could end up 9-7 or 12-4... ?
Nobody on this board knows for sure but I think most of us believe this team is going to finish better than 8-8.
Nobody on this forum can make any guarantees but this game Sunday will tell us if the crap game they played at Minnesota last week was just a bump in the road or how well they truly stack up against the big boys.
We better get a victory this Sunday gosh dang it!
I mean, if we're being honest with each other about the Saints and Eagles games at home in LA being the true indicator of how to judge the Rams about their chances of making a run in the playoffs etc...
Even if our Rams collapsed but the Seahawks fold and hand us the NFC West Title, very few realists on the board will have faith that this team will do anything in the NFL playoff tournament other than a first round wildcard victory.
A select few of you might think differently but 2 of the next 3 games will likely tell us how good or almost good the Rams really are in 2017.
I'm aware that practically all of you already know this, so I'm not shedding any new light on your gifted football expertise.
(this is assuming the Rams beat a team like the Cardinals in between the Saints & Eagles games)
Getting a split with the top 2 NFC teams (Saints, Eagles) should reveal that we belong in the conversation as playoff spoilers and a mini run or more if the ball bounces our way.
Getting a sweep against the Saints and Eagles would send this board into a frenzy! (again assuming the Rams also beat the Cardinals)
I know, the most important thing is simply getting a playoff birth..
This is why I'm opening this seasons Rams present one game at a time and enjoying every single snap until they're out of the picture or holding up the sacred Lombardi trophy. We could end up 9-7 or 12-4... ?
Nobody on this board knows for sure but I think most of us believe this team is going to finish better than 8-8.
Nobody on this forum can make any guarantees but this game Sunday will tell us if the crap game they played at Minnesota last week was just a bump in the road or how well they truly stack up against the big boys.
We better get a victory this Sunday gosh dang it!
Happy Thanksgiving and enjoy ..
- By DaveFan'51
- RAMS / NFL TALK
- 8 Replies
Enjoy the A$$ Beating the Chargers well lay on the CowPie's !! The Viqueen's vs Lions should be good! Washington vs the gIANTS IDK!
Again enjoy your thanksgiving!!
Again enjoy your thanksgiving!!
