Rams v Bengals - confirmed Oct 27th
- By London_Ram
- RAMS / NFL TALK
- 35 Replies
Got to be honest and say I'm disappointed it's not at the new Tottenham stadium but I'll be there anyway!
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Predict the Rams Draft (Top 3 Rounds)
- By Merlin
- RAMS / NFL TALK
- 36 Replies
As the title says with the draft creeping up on us it's time for you to break out your Nostradamus and predict Les Snead and company. Why 3 rounds? Well because it seems like a nice sample size for most fans without getting too nuts on the prospects you can't find film on. Will bump this post-draft for bragging rights or perhaps more likely just some laughs.
Warning: I'm gonna mix it up and get all crazy so buckle up buttercups
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<Rams trade down to early second round and scoop a fourth round pick>
2. Jace Sternberger, TE, Texas A&M. And Rams Nation goes insane, into full meltdown mode. My rationale with this pick is the Rams like to surprise us, and they need to add another weapon in the passing game; they are going to lose Higs after the season, and this guy is a smooth passing game weapon with excellent natural instincts. This is assuming Lawrence is off the board, btw, as I think that one is just too good to come true lol.
<Rams trade up into late second round and surrender a fifth round pick and next years fourth>
2. Renell Wren, NT, Arizona St. I think the Rams are high on this kid and covet him due to his fit and upside. He brings them exactly what they need, power on the interior who can anchor in or push the pocket, and he'll work and improve going forward under this staff. Why do I think they need to move up for him? Because they have a need and I don't think this dude lasts into the 90s.
3. Connor McGovern, OG, Penn St. Rams are going to need to bring in a couple OL in this draft, so adding a guy here who brings fit and value make sense. He slides right into the depth chart and starts getting some top-notch coaching in camp.
Warning: I'm gonna mix it up and get all crazy so buckle up buttercups
:<Rams trade down to early second round and scoop a fourth round pick>
2. Jace Sternberger, TE, Texas A&M. And Rams Nation goes insane, into full meltdown mode. My rationale with this pick is the Rams like to surprise us, and they need to add another weapon in the passing game; they are going to lose Higs after the season, and this guy is a smooth passing game weapon with excellent natural instincts. This is assuming Lawrence is off the board, btw, as I think that one is just too good to come true lol.
<Rams trade up into late second round and surrender a fifth round pick and next years fourth>
2. Renell Wren, NT, Arizona St. I think the Rams are high on this kid and covet him due to his fit and upside. He brings them exactly what they need, power on the interior who can anchor in or push the pocket, and he'll work and improve going forward under this staff. Why do I think they need to move up for him? Because they have a need and I don't think this dude lasts into the 90s.
3. Connor McGovern, OG, Penn St. Rams are going to need to bring in a couple OL in this draft, so adding a guy here who brings fit and value make sense. He slides right into the depth chart and starts getting some top-notch coaching in camp.
ROD Sportsbook Rules
- By flv
- SPORTSBOOK
- 4 Replies
Rules are a pain in the ass and nobody wants them. The main reason we have them is generally to predict in advance any issue that might come up and say how it should be resolved impartially. Most of the rules are pretty straight-forward and where possible i've followed rules and principles from UK betting companies. However some things are different in the Sportsbook at ROD. We don't have the tools to manually cancel or alter individual bets, which includes adjusting prices to account for other selections withdrawing. We also don't have the ability to settle things as a dead-heat. Bets aren't recorded in any chronological system that has a bet number or time-stamp. Normally bets made on the day of an event would be subject to different rules compared to ante-post bets with regards to selections withdrawing. Since we don't have that capability the current rules are geared towards treating bets as a race-day bets wherever possible. This means bets made in advance on events such as a tennis tournament can be subject to being settled as a push if 'your' selection is withdrawn OR if 1 of the betting favourites is withdrawn. It's not ideal but it's the fairest solution given the Sportsbook's limitations. I'm constantly updating and rewording the rules, (i'm currently at version 16 for 2019), so i'm not going to post a lot of updates. Without further ado here are the rules in effect and posted on Sportsbooks as of April 16 2019:
This is the basic template that will appear on Sportsbooks:
Rules and general information.
Please be careful with your selections. We can't delete/change bets.
Please look at all the choices before making your bet(s) to check you have the right selection(s) and the correct stake amount before confirming them. We do NOT have the ability to cancel individual bets.
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NBA, NFL, NHL, & NCAA
Bets will stand on any event that is rescheduled by up to 50 hours. If a location is altered or an event starts outside the 50 hour time limit ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded. Overtime counts if played.
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Rams SPECIAL BETS
Bets will stand on any event that is rescheduled by up to 50 hours. If a location is altered or an event starts outside the 50 hour time limit ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded. Overtime counts if played.
Win limits are now 30K on most bets, (40K in the playoffs). 1 bet per outcome. I raised limits and reduced the outcomes as members didn't seem to realise they could bet more than once.
Goff passing bets require Goff to start or play 10+ snaps in relief.
Gurley rushing bets require Gurley to start or play 10+ snaps in relief.
TD scoring refers to 'Rams only' so if the Rams opponents have a Brown who scores you won't be paid on him. Rams defense/ST or 'All other Rams players' etc, excludes ALL players named elsewhere. It specifically excludes, Goff, Mannion, Gurley, Anderson, Brown, Davis, Cooks, Woods, Kupp, Reynolds, Thomas, Higbee, Everett, Hodge, Kelly, Natson.
For TD purposes a player who is inactive or doesn't play is a losing bet NOT a push, (excludes Goff/passing and Gurley/rushing bets). Turnovers do NOT include turnovers on downs or ST blocks - lost fumbles and interceptions only! For betting on halves or quarters won the Rams must score MORE than the score by the opponent in that time period - equal scores is a loss.
Bets will be settled as per NFL Gamebook totals on NFL.com, (also posted on the Rams 2018 Wiki page). These totals are sometimes adjusted later on so all bets will be settled at least 48 hours after kickoff. Results at that time are considered final.
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Soccer
Bets will stand on any event that is rescheduled by up to 50 hours. If a location is altered or an event starts outside the 50 hour time limit ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
All win, draw, correct score, and HT-FT bets will be settled on the result at the end of 90 minutes, (end of 2nd half). The only exception to the end of 90 minutes, (end of 2nd half), rule are bets on a team to progress or to win trophy. Team to progress or win trophy bets will include extra-time and/or penalty shoot-outs if played.
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Golf
Bets will stand on any event that is rescheduled by up to 50 hours. If a location is altered or an event starts outside the 50 hour time limit ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
Listed competitors only! You are wagering on who will be the highest placed finisher from the listed competitors. The bet winner will be the highest placed finisher on the Sportsbook betting list. If 2 or more competitors on this list tie for the highest placed finish the tie-breaker will be the competitor in that tie that is nearest to the top of the Sportsbook betting list.
Example: Stewart Cink, (unlisted), wins the tournament. Ernie Els, (unlisted), finishes 2nd. Rickie Fowler, Louis Oosthuizen, Henrik Stenson, and Davis Love IV, (unlisted), finish in a 4-way tie for 3rd. 3 players on the list are tied - Rickie Fowler, Louis Oosthuizen, and Henrik Stenson - so the tie-breaker is applied and Rickie Fowler wins as he is highest on the list.
If 2 or more listed players are tied for the lead then normal rules to determine a winner will apply.
Example: Danny Willett, (unlisted), Jon Rahm, and Patrick Reed tie for the lead after 72 holes. There would be a playoff. If either of the 2 listed players wins then that player would be the winner. If Danny Willett won the playoff leaving the 2 listed players tied for 2nd then Jon Rahm would be the bet winner as he is the higher of the 2 listed players in the list tie-breaker.
Sorry if this all sounds complicated, (it most likely won't be in reality), but I can't list all 100+ players and I can't apply dead-heat rules or split winnings. You place any bet knowing the tie-breaker could come into play. If you lose on the tie-breaker you would have lost anyway.
Basically it's a normal event but i'm removing all the outsiders from the reckoning - Extra value for you!
The trophy presentation will be treated as the final result for bet settlement purposes.
This Sportsbook closes on Jul 7 2019 at 04:00 EST. Bets on any competitor who officially withdraws before then will be settled as a push. Competitors who have not withdrawn by that time are deemed to have competed. If any of the top (EDIT NUMBER) listed competitors, (by shortest price), withdraw before the Sportsbook closes then ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
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F1 & Nascar
Bets will stand on any event that is rescheduled by up to 50 hours. If a location is altered or an event starts outside the 50 hour time limit ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
Betting will close before Practice 1 and re-open after Qualifying. The podium ceremony will be treated as the final result for bet settlement purposes.
This Sportsbook closes on Jul 7 2019 at 04:40 EST. Bets on any competitor who officially withdraws before then will be settled as a push. Competitors who have not withdrawn by that time are deemed to have competed. If any of the top (EDIT NUMBER) listed competitors, (by shortest price), withdraw before the Sportsbook closes then ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded. If any of the Mercedes, Ferrari, or Red Bull drivers withdraw before the Sportsbook closes then ALL PODIUM FINISH bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
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NCAA football Bowl games & NFL Super Bowl
Bets will stand on any event that is rescheduled by up to 50 hours. If a location is altered or an event starts outside the 50 hour time limit ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded. Overtime counts if played.
Games stating "vs" rather than "@" are not location specific to either team. It is up to the bettor to know where the game is and whether this provides an advantage.
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NFL Parlays - Thanksgiving & Playoffs
Bets will stand on any event that is rescheduled by up to 50 hours. If a location is altered or an event starts outside the 50 hour time limit ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded. Overtime counts if played.
Warning!!! Bets can't be settled until ALL listed events have finished.
Limits are currently set at 2 bets per 4-game outcome per member with a win limit of ROD$50K on each bet. You can bet on more than 1 combination.
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UFC
Bets will stand on any event that is rescheduled by up to 50 hours. If an event starts outside the 50 hour time limit ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded. If an event starts within 50 hours then all matches on that event will count, even if some of those matches start outside the 50 hour limit.
Events subject to inexact starting times are likely to be closed up to 90 minutes before events start – so make bets early!
Warning!!! Bets can't be settled until ALL listed events have finished.
Win limits are $15000. If matches are listed with a # number it is for easier match identification purposes only. Bets stand regardless of the order in which matches take place.
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Boxing
Bets will stand on any event that is rescheduled by up to 50 hours. If an event starts outside the 50 hour time limit ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
Events subject to inexact starting times are likely to be closed up to 90 minutes before events start – so make bets early!
The Over/Under is the Official fight finishing time in minutes and seconds.
9:00 is 9 minutes and 0 seconds, (540 seconds), (3 full rounds).
22:10 is 1 minute and 10 seconds into Round 8.
Should a fighter retire between rounds he will be deemed to have lost in the final second of the previous round. EG: Failing to come out for Round 6 will be settled as a stoppage in the last second of Round 5 with a time of 15:00. Bets on Round 5 and Under 15:01 would be settled as winners. Round 6 and Over 15:00 would be settled as losers.
Should the fight be stopped before the scheduled end of the final round bets will be settled as follows:
1) The fight is settled on the judges' scorecards:
Bets will be settled as a win on points, (or a draw). Bets on rounds/group of rounds will be losers. Bets on Fight does NOT go the distance will be winners. Bets on Fight goes the distance will be losers. Over/Under bets will be settled on the time that the fight was officially stopped at.
2) The fight is awarded to the fighter able to continue without the judges' scorecards:
Bets will be settled as a stoppage win at the time that the fight was officially stopped at. Bets on the correct fighter & round/group of rounds will be winners. Bets on points will be losers. Bets on Fight does NOT go the distance will be winners. Bets on Fight goes the distance will be losers. Over/Under bets will be settled on the time that the fight was officially stopped at.
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Tennis (match)
Bets will stand on any event that is rescheduled by up to 50 hours. If a location is altered or an event starts outside the 50 hour time limit ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
Events subject to inexact starting times are likely to be closed up to 90 minutes before events start – so make bets early!
In the event of a change to playing surface, venue, or change from indoor court to outdoor and vice versa, affected bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
For match/outright betting both competitors must start the match or affected bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded. A competitor can win by disqualification or injury.
For set betting the full number of sets required to win the match must be completed. If a competitor is awarded the match prior to the full number of sets being completed, (eg disqualification or injury), ALL bets on the Correct Set score will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
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Tennis (tournament)
Listed competitors only! You are wagering on who will be the highest placed finisher from the listed competitors. The bet winner will be the highest placed finisher on the Sportsbook betting list. If 2 or more competitors on this list tie for the highest placed finish the tie-breaker will be the competitor in that tie that is nearest to the top of the Sportsbook betting list.
Example: 2 unlisted competitors reach the final. 2 listed players - Marin Cilic and Stan Wawrinka - are beaten in the semi-finals. The tie-breaker is applied and Marin Cilic wins as he is nearest to the top of the Sportsbook betting list.
Example: 4 unlisted competitors reach the semi-finals. 3 listed players - Alexander Zverev, Grigor Dimitrov, and John Isner - and an unlisted competitor are beaten in the quarter-finals. The tie-breaker is applied and Alexander Zverev wins as he is nearest to the top of the Sportsbook betting list.
If all listed competitors fail to reach the last 16 then all bets will be losers.
The trophy presentation will be treated as the final result for bet settlement purposes.
This Sportsbook closes on Jul 7 2019 at 04:00 EST. Bets on any competitor who officially withdraws before then will be settled as a push. Bets on any competitor who officially withdraws before then will be settled as a push. Competitors who have not withdrawn by that time are deemed to have competed. If any of the top (EDIT NUMBER) listed competitors, (by shortest price), withdraw before the Sportsbook closes then ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
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WWE
Bets will stand on any event that is rescheduled by up to 50 hours. If an event starts outside the 50 hour time limit affected bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded. If an event starts within 50 hours then all matches on that event will count, even if some of those matches start outside the 50 hour limit.
Events subject to inexact starting times are likely to be closed up to 90 minutes before events start – so make bets early!
Warning!!! Bets can't be settled until ALL listed events have finished.
Matches must be on the main WWE broadcast to count. If a match appears on the under-card/pre-show all bets on that match will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
Prices quoted are to win the match/be declared as the winner only. Odds are NOT to gain or retain a title. Results at the end of the broadcast are considered to be final. If a match has no clear winner, is declared a draw, abandoned, has more than 1 declared original competitor as the winner, or is won by an unlisted competitor all bets on that match will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
In Singles, Triple-Threat, Fatal 4-Way, Over-the-top-rope, Elimination Chamber, Ladder Match, etc, (basically any match where there are multiple competitors with only 1 competitor as the winner), match ALL listed competitors must compete or all bets on that match will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded. If any of these matches have additional competitors added then bets will stand provided the clear winner is 1 of the originally listed competitors. If a match concept is changed from Singles to Tag or team then all bets on that match will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
In Tag matches bets will stand on any Tag match with 4 or more originally listed competitors that takes place with no more than 1 listed competitor replaced by a substitute competitor. The altered Tag team will count as the originally listed Tag team for bet settlement purposes.
Win limits are set at a low level as this is an 'entertainment only' event that shouldn’t impact ROD’s richest member. If matches are listed with a # number it is for easier match identification purposes only. Bets stand regardless of the order in which matches take place.
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Rams regular season 1 wins Over/Under
You are wagering on the 16 games of the Rams 2019 regular season.
If the NFL regular season is concluded without all 32 teams playing exactly 16 regular season games then ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
If the NFC playoffs are changed to something other than 4 division winners and top 2 non-division winners making the playoffs then ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
A tied game will be treated as 0.5 win & 0.5 lose. (A record of 5-10-1 will count as 5.5 wins).
1 bet per member. I have set the win limit at $20000 so this Sportsbook shouldn't be the major factor in determining ROD's Richest Member for 2019.
Thus: the maximum bet on Over 10.99 wins is $5747. There are other events you can wager on.
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Rams regular season 2 initial 53-man roster
You are wagering on whether listed players make, or do (NOT) make the Rams 2019 initial 53-man roster. Players who are suspended or placed on IR or any other inactive list will be considered to have (NOT) made the initial 53-man roster.
I have no inside information and nothing should be inferred from odds posted here. Odds will be subject to wild fluctuations. Winnings are currently capped at a low ROD$ amount because this is a 'fun' event for entertainment purposes.
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Rams regular season 3 total passing yards
You are wagering on the Rams total for passing yards after the 16 games of the Rams 2019 regular season. In the event of the Rams 2019 regular season not being exactly 16 games then ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded. Only stats recorded as a Rams player count. Passing yardage Over/Under is the total for all Rams players with no deductions for yardage lost.
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Rams regular season 4 total points conceded. Rams ranking for total points conceded.
You are wagering on the Rams total for points conceded and/or league ranking for points conceded after the 16 games of the Rams 2019 regular season. In the event of the Rams 2019 regular season not being exactly 16 games then ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded. Total Points is ALL points and not points conceded only by defense.
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Rams regular season 5 final (EDIT NUMBER) games
You are wagering on the 16 games of the Rams 2019 regular season. In the event of the Rams 2019 regular season not being exactly 16 games then ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
A tied game will be treated as 0.5 win & 0.5 lose. (A record of 5-10-1 will count as 5.5 wins). If any of the remaining Rams games end in a tie then ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
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Rams regular season 6 leader in (EDIT THIS) (handicap)
Listed competitors only! You are wagering on which of the listed players has the highest (EDIT THIS) total on handicap after the 16 games of the Rams 2019 regular season. In the event of the Rams 2019 regular season not being exactly 16 games then ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded. Only stats recorded as a Rams player count. The bet winner will be the highest placed finisher on the Sportsbook betting list. If 2 or more competitors on this list tie for the highest placed finish the tie-breaker will be the competitor in that tie that is nearest to the top of the Sportsbook betting list.
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Rams regular season 7 receiving yards handicap
Listed competitors only! You are wagering on which of the listed players has the highest net receiving yardage total on handicap after the 16 games of the Rams 2019 regular season. In the event of the Rams 2019 regular season not being exactly 16 games then ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded. Only stats recorded as a Rams player count. The bet winner will be the highest placed finisher on the Sportsbook betting list. If 2 or more competitors on this list tie for the highest placed finish the tie-breaker will be the competitor in that tie that is nearest to the top of the Sportsbook betting list.
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Rams regular season 8 Todd Gurley total rushing yards
You are wagering on Todd Gurley's total for rushing yards after the 16 games of the Rams 2019 regular season. In the event of the Rams 2019 regular season not being exactly 16 games then ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded. Only stats recorded as a Rams player count.
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Horse racing
Bets will stand on any event that is rescheduled by up to 50 hours. If a location is altered or an event starts outside the 50 hour time limit affected bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
The trophy presentation will be treated as the final result for bet settlement purposes.
This Sportsbook closes on Jul 7 2019 at 04:00 EST. Bets on any competitor who officially withdraws before then will be settled as a push. Bets on any competitor who officially withdraws before then will be settled as a push. Competitors who have not withdrawn by that time are deemed to have competed. If any of the top (EDIT NUMBER) listed competitors, (by shortest price), withdraw before the Sportsbook closes then ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
There will be no 'British Rule 4' deductions to winning bets in respect of any non-runners.
Odds are done to normal ROD Bookie low margins so expect to see higher odds than are available with real bookies.
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Cycling
Tour events are NOT subject to the following time or location rules but stage races are. Bets will stand on any event that is rescheduled by up to 50 hours. If a location is altered or an event starts outside the 50 hour time limit ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
Listed competitors only! You are wagering on who will be the highest placed finisher in the Yellow Jersey, (overall time), competition from the 14 competitors listed. The bet winner will be the highest placed finisher on the Sportsbook betting list. If 2 or more competitors on this list tie for the highest placed finish the tie-breaker will be the competitor in that tie that is nearest to the top of the Sportsbook betting list.
This Sportsbook closes on Jul 7 2019 at 04:00 EST. Bets on any competitor who officially withdraws before then will be settled as a push. Competitors who have not withdrawn by that time are deemed to have competed. If any of the top (EDIT NUMBER) listed competitors, (by shortest price), withdraw before the Sportsbook closes then ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
If all listed competitors fail to complete the race then all bets will be losers.
The podium ceremony will be treated as the final result for bet settlement purposes.
***Adjust Jersey colour for event. EG Pink for Giro d'Italia
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F1 Driver's Championship 2019 without Mercedes, Ferrari, & Red Bull
Listed competitors only! You are wagering on who finishes highest in the F1 Driver's Championship 2019 excluding anyone who drives for Mercedes, Ferrari, or Red Bull. Listed drivers only. Any driver who switches team will be disqualified and treated as a losing bet for bet settlement purposes.
Any FIA decision regarding to points deducted, disqualification, etc will over-ride the points table. The Driver's Championship table incorporating the result of the final event immediately after its completion will be treated as the final result for bet settlement purposes.
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Premier League 2018/19 relegation treble
You are wagering on which 3 team are relegated from the 2018/19 Premier League. Any other scenario is Huddersfield avoid relegation, Fulham avoid relegation, or any unlisted team is relegated. The Premier League table incorporating the result of the final event immediately after its completion will be treated as the final result for bet settlement purposes.
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World Cup Groups
You are wagering on which team wins the Group.
Any FIFA decision regarding the final outcome of the Group will be treated as the final result for bet settlement purposes.
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Preseason 'free' bets
1 bet per member. The minimum bet is $100. The maximum bet size is determined by the odds on the selection of your choice. I have set the win limit at $50000 so this Sportsbook shouldn't be the major factor in determining ROD's Richest Member for 2018.
Thus: the maximum bet on the Los Angeles Rams is $2500.
There are other events you can wager on.
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2017 NFL Draft
You are wagering on which players will be the 1st and 2nd overall picks in the 2017 NFL Draft.
Players picked must be in the EXACT order started.
If listed players are selected in a different order to the options available the winning selection will be 'Any other option'.
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2017 NFL Draft
These players only.
You are wagering on which of these 4 QBs is selected first.
The 1st QB selected does NOT have to be selected #1 overall, in the 1st Round, or at any specific point in the Draft.
In the unlikely event that NONE of the 4 QBs are selected before the end of the Draft all wagers on this event will be void and stakes will be refunded.
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2017 NFL Draft
These players only.
You are wagering on which order the 3 listed RBs will be selected in.
NONE of the players have to be selected #1 overall, in the 1st Round, or at any specific point in the Draft.
In the unlikely event that LESS than 2 of the 4 RBs are selected before the end of the Draft all wagers on this event will be void and stakes will be refunded.
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2017 NFL Draft
You are wagering on how many QBs will be selected in the 1st Round of the 2017 NFL Draft.
The 1st QB selected does NOT have to be selected #1 overall.
Maximum 32 picks. Any forfeited picks will not be replaced by #33 and #34 picks etc.
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2017 NFL Draft
Group A is: TE O.J. Howard, DE Derek Barnett, QB Mitchell Trubisky, LB Reuben Foster, and WR Mike Williams.
These players only.
You are wagering on which of these 5 players is selected first.
The 1st player selected does NOT have to be selected #1 overall, in the 1st Round, or at any specific point in the Draft.
In the unlikely event that NONE of the 5 players are selected before the end of the Draft all wagers on this event will be void and stakes will be refunded.
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2017 NFL Draft
You are wagering on the total number of picks the Rams will make in the 2017 NFL Draft.
The first Rams pick does NOT have to be picked #1 overall, in the 1st Round, or at any specific point in the Draft.
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2017 NFL Draft
You are wagering on the total number of trades for picks made during the 1st round NOT the number of picks traded. The wager does NOT start until the Commissioner puts the team with the #1 pick on the clock. Trades made before then are NOT included. The wager finishes when the #32 pick is announced. A trade with a 1st round pick for a player is 1 trade. A trade with a 1st round pick for a future pick is 1 trade. A trade with a 1st round pick for a different 1st round pick is 1 trade. A trade with a 1st round pick for 2 lower 1st round picks is 1 trade. A multi-way trade involving 1 or more 1st round picks and more than 2 teams at the same time is 1 trade. Trades announced separately are more than 1 trade. EG team trades down from #10 to #14 = 1 trade. Team later trades down from #14 to #19 = new/another 1 trade.
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This is the basic template that will appear on Sportsbooks:
Rules and general information.
Please be careful with your selections. We can't delete/change bets.
This is how most Sportsbooks will look
If in doubt - ask before placing your wager.
Have fun and good luck.
(If you bet the minimum when you intended to bet a lot more and you do want to bet more on that specific outcome then PM me whilst I’m logged in. I can then temporarily increase the wager limit for you).
If in doubt - ask before placing your wager.
Have fun and good luck.
(If you bet the minimum when you intended to bet a lot more and you do want to bet more on that specific outcome then PM me whilst I’m logged in. I can then temporarily increase the wager limit for you).
Please look at all the choices before making your bet(s) to check you have the right selection(s) and the correct stake amount before confirming them. We do NOT have the ability to cancel individual bets.
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NBA, NFL, NHL, & NCAA
Bets will stand on any event that is rescheduled by up to 50 hours. If a location is altered or an event starts outside the 50 hour time limit ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded. Overtime counts if played.
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Rams SPECIAL BETS
Bets will stand on any event that is rescheduled by up to 50 hours. If a location is altered or an event starts outside the 50 hour time limit ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded. Overtime counts if played.
Win limits are now 30K on most bets, (40K in the playoffs). 1 bet per outcome. I raised limits and reduced the outcomes as members didn't seem to realise they could bet more than once.
Goff passing bets require Goff to start or play 10+ snaps in relief.
Gurley rushing bets require Gurley to start or play 10+ snaps in relief.
TD scoring refers to 'Rams only' so if the Rams opponents have a Brown who scores you won't be paid on him. Rams defense/ST or 'All other Rams players' etc, excludes ALL players named elsewhere. It specifically excludes, Goff, Mannion, Gurley, Anderson, Brown, Davis, Cooks, Woods, Kupp, Reynolds, Thomas, Higbee, Everett, Hodge, Kelly, Natson.
For TD purposes a player who is inactive or doesn't play is a losing bet NOT a push, (excludes Goff/passing and Gurley/rushing bets). Turnovers do NOT include turnovers on downs or ST blocks - lost fumbles and interceptions only! For betting on halves or quarters won the Rams must score MORE than the score by the opponent in that time period - equal scores is a loss.
Bets will be settled as per NFL Gamebook totals on NFL.com, (also posted on the Rams 2018 Wiki page). These totals are sometimes adjusted later on so all bets will be settled at least 48 hours after kickoff. Results at that time are considered final.
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Soccer
Bets will stand on any event that is rescheduled by up to 50 hours. If a location is altered or an event starts outside the 50 hour time limit ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
All win, draw, correct score, and HT-FT bets will be settled on the result at the end of 90 minutes, (end of 2nd half). The only exception to the end of 90 minutes, (end of 2nd half), rule are bets on a team to progress or to win trophy. Team to progress or win trophy bets will include extra-time and/or penalty shoot-outs if played.
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Golf
Bets will stand on any event that is rescheduled by up to 50 hours. If a location is altered or an event starts outside the 50 hour time limit ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
Listed competitors only! You are wagering on who will be the highest placed finisher from the listed competitors. The bet winner will be the highest placed finisher on the Sportsbook betting list. If 2 or more competitors on this list tie for the highest placed finish the tie-breaker will be the competitor in that tie that is nearest to the top of the Sportsbook betting list.
Example: Stewart Cink, (unlisted), wins the tournament. Ernie Els, (unlisted), finishes 2nd. Rickie Fowler, Louis Oosthuizen, Henrik Stenson, and Davis Love IV, (unlisted), finish in a 4-way tie for 3rd. 3 players on the list are tied - Rickie Fowler, Louis Oosthuizen, and Henrik Stenson - so the tie-breaker is applied and Rickie Fowler wins as he is highest on the list.
If 2 or more listed players are tied for the lead then normal rules to determine a winner will apply.
Example: Danny Willett, (unlisted), Jon Rahm, and Patrick Reed tie for the lead after 72 holes. There would be a playoff. If either of the 2 listed players wins then that player would be the winner. If Danny Willett won the playoff leaving the 2 listed players tied for 2nd then Jon Rahm would be the bet winner as he is the higher of the 2 listed players in the list tie-breaker.
Sorry if this all sounds complicated, (it most likely won't be in reality), but I can't list all 100+ players and I can't apply dead-heat rules or split winnings. You place any bet knowing the tie-breaker could come into play. If you lose on the tie-breaker you would have lost anyway.
Basically it's a normal event but i'm removing all the outsiders from the reckoning - Extra value for you!
The trophy presentation will be treated as the final result for bet settlement purposes.
This Sportsbook closes on Jul 7 2019 at 04:00 EST. Bets on any competitor who officially withdraws before then will be settled as a push. Competitors who have not withdrawn by that time are deemed to have competed. If any of the top (EDIT NUMBER) listed competitors, (by shortest price), withdraw before the Sportsbook closes then ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
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F1 & Nascar
Bets will stand on any event that is rescheduled by up to 50 hours. If a location is altered or an event starts outside the 50 hour time limit ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
Betting will close before Practice 1 and re-open after Qualifying. The podium ceremony will be treated as the final result for bet settlement purposes.
This Sportsbook closes on Jul 7 2019 at 04:40 EST. Bets on any competitor who officially withdraws before then will be settled as a push. Competitors who have not withdrawn by that time are deemed to have competed. If any of the top (EDIT NUMBER) listed competitors, (by shortest price), withdraw before the Sportsbook closes then ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded. If any of the Mercedes, Ferrari, or Red Bull drivers withdraw before the Sportsbook closes then ALL PODIUM FINISH bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
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NCAA football Bowl games & NFL Super Bowl
Bets will stand on any event that is rescheduled by up to 50 hours. If a location is altered or an event starts outside the 50 hour time limit ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded. Overtime counts if played.
Games stating "vs" rather than "@" are not location specific to either team. It is up to the bettor to know where the game is and whether this provides an advantage.
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NFL Parlays - Thanksgiving & Playoffs
Bets will stand on any event that is rescheduled by up to 50 hours. If a location is altered or an event starts outside the 50 hour time limit ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded. Overtime counts if played.
Warning!!! Bets can't be settled until ALL listed events have finished.
Limits are currently set at 2 bets per 4-game outcome per member with a win limit of ROD$50K on each bet. You can bet on more than 1 combination.
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UFC
Bets will stand on any event that is rescheduled by up to 50 hours. If an event starts outside the 50 hour time limit ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded. If an event starts within 50 hours then all matches on that event will count, even if some of those matches start outside the 50 hour limit.
Events subject to inexact starting times are likely to be closed up to 90 minutes before events start – so make bets early!
Warning!!! Bets can't be settled until ALL listed events have finished.
Win limits are $15000. If matches are listed with a # number it is for easier match identification purposes only. Bets stand regardless of the order in which matches take place.
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Boxing
Bets will stand on any event that is rescheduled by up to 50 hours. If an event starts outside the 50 hour time limit ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
Events subject to inexact starting times are likely to be closed up to 90 minutes before events start – so make bets early!
The Over/Under is the Official fight finishing time in minutes and seconds.
9:00 is 9 minutes and 0 seconds, (540 seconds), (3 full rounds).
22:10 is 1 minute and 10 seconds into Round 8.
Should a fighter retire between rounds he will be deemed to have lost in the final second of the previous round. EG: Failing to come out for Round 6 will be settled as a stoppage in the last second of Round 5 with a time of 15:00. Bets on Round 5 and Under 15:01 would be settled as winners. Round 6 and Over 15:00 would be settled as losers.
Should the fight be stopped before the scheduled end of the final round bets will be settled as follows:
1) The fight is settled on the judges' scorecards:
Bets will be settled as a win on points, (or a draw). Bets on rounds/group of rounds will be losers. Bets on Fight does NOT go the distance will be winners. Bets on Fight goes the distance will be losers. Over/Under bets will be settled on the time that the fight was officially stopped at.
2) The fight is awarded to the fighter able to continue without the judges' scorecards:
Bets will be settled as a stoppage win at the time that the fight was officially stopped at. Bets on the correct fighter & round/group of rounds will be winners. Bets on points will be losers. Bets on Fight does NOT go the distance will be winners. Bets on Fight goes the distance will be losers. Over/Under bets will be settled on the time that the fight was officially stopped at.
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Tennis (match)
Bets will stand on any event that is rescheduled by up to 50 hours. If a location is altered or an event starts outside the 50 hour time limit ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
Events subject to inexact starting times are likely to be closed up to 90 minutes before events start – so make bets early!
In the event of a change to playing surface, venue, or change from indoor court to outdoor and vice versa, affected bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
For match/outright betting both competitors must start the match or affected bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded. A competitor can win by disqualification or injury.
For set betting the full number of sets required to win the match must be completed. If a competitor is awarded the match prior to the full number of sets being completed, (eg disqualification or injury), ALL bets on the Correct Set score will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
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Tennis (tournament)
Listed competitors only! You are wagering on who will be the highest placed finisher from the listed competitors. The bet winner will be the highest placed finisher on the Sportsbook betting list. If 2 or more competitors on this list tie for the highest placed finish the tie-breaker will be the competitor in that tie that is nearest to the top of the Sportsbook betting list.
Example: 2 unlisted competitors reach the final. 2 listed players - Marin Cilic and Stan Wawrinka - are beaten in the semi-finals. The tie-breaker is applied and Marin Cilic wins as he is nearest to the top of the Sportsbook betting list.
Example: 4 unlisted competitors reach the semi-finals. 3 listed players - Alexander Zverev, Grigor Dimitrov, and John Isner - and an unlisted competitor are beaten in the quarter-finals. The tie-breaker is applied and Alexander Zverev wins as he is nearest to the top of the Sportsbook betting list.
If all listed competitors fail to reach the last 16 then all bets will be losers.
The trophy presentation will be treated as the final result for bet settlement purposes.
This Sportsbook closes on Jul 7 2019 at 04:00 EST. Bets on any competitor who officially withdraws before then will be settled as a push. Bets on any competitor who officially withdraws before then will be settled as a push. Competitors who have not withdrawn by that time are deemed to have competed. If any of the top (EDIT NUMBER) listed competitors, (by shortest price), withdraw before the Sportsbook closes then ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
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WWE
Bets will stand on any event that is rescheduled by up to 50 hours. If an event starts outside the 50 hour time limit affected bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded. If an event starts within 50 hours then all matches on that event will count, even if some of those matches start outside the 50 hour limit.
Events subject to inexact starting times are likely to be closed up to 90 minutes before events start – so make bets early!
Warning!!! Bets can't be settled until ALL listed events have finished.
Matches must be on the main WWE broadcast to count. If a match appears on the under-card/pre-show all bets on that match will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
Prices quoted are to win the match/be declared as the winner only. Odds are NOT to gain or retain a title. Results at the end of the broadcast are considered to be final. If a match has no clear winner, is declared a draw, abandoned, has more than 1 declared original competitor as the winner, or is won by an unlisted competitor all bets on that match will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
In Singles, Triple-Threat, Fatal 4-Way, Over-the-top-rope, Elimination Chamber, Ladder Match, etc, (basically any match where there are multiple competitors with only 1 competitor as the winner), match ALL listed competitors must compete or all bets on that match will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded. If any of these matches have additional competitors added then bets will stand provided the clear winner is 1 of the originally listed competitors. If a match concept is changed from Singles to Tag or team then all bets on that match will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
In Tag matches bets will stand on any Tag match with 4 or more originally listed competitors that takes place with no more than 1 listed competitor replaced by a substitute competitor. The altered Tag team will count as the originally listed Tag team for bet settlement purposes.
Win limits are set at a low level as this is an 'entertainment only' event that shouldn’t impact ROD’s richest member. If matches are listed with a # number it is for easier match identification purposes only. Bets stand regardless of the order in which matches take place.
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Rams regular season 1 wins Over/Under
You are wagering on the 16 games of the Rams 2019 regular season.
If the NFL regular season is concluded without all 32 teams playing exactly 16 regular season games then ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
If the NFC playoffs are changed to something other than 4 division winners and top 2 non-division winners making the playoffs then ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
A tied game will be treated as 0.5 win & 0.5 lose. (A record of 5-10-1 will count as 5.5 wins).
1 bet per member. I have set the win limit at $20000 so this Sportsbook shouldn't be the major factor in determining ROD's Richest Member for 2019.
Thus: the maximum bet on Over 10.99 wins is $5747. There are other events you can wager on.
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Rams regular season 2 initial 53-man roster
You are wagering on whether listed players make, or do (NOT) make the Rams 2019 initial 53-man roster. Players who are suspended or placed on IR or any other inactive list will be considered to have (NOT) made the initial 53-man roster.
I have no inside information and nothing should be inferred from odds posted here. Odds will be subject to wild fluctuations. Winnings are currently capped at a low ROD$ amount because this is a 'fun' event for entertainment purposes.
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Rams regular season 3 total passing yards
You are wagering on the Rams total for passing yards after the 16 games of the Rams 2019 regular season. In the event of the Rams 2019 regular season not being exactly 16 games then ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded. Only stats recorded as a Rams player count. Passing yardage Over/Under is the total for all Rams players with no deductions for yardage lost.
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Rams regular season 4 total points conceded. Rams ranking for total points conceded.
You are wagering on the Rams total for points conceded and/or league ranking for points conceded after the 16 games of the Rams 2019 regular season. In the event of the Rams 2019 regular season not being exactly 16 games then ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded. Total Points is ALL points and not points conceded only by defense.
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Rams regular season 5 final (EDIT NUMBER) games
You are wagering on the 16 games of the Rams 2019 regular season. In the event of the Rams 2019 regular season not being exactly 16 games then ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
A tied game will be treated as 0.5 win & 0.5 lose. (A record of 5-10-1 will count as 5.5 wins). If any of the remaining Rams games end in a tie then ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
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Rams regular season 6 leader in (EDIT THIS) (handicap)
Listed competitors only! You are wagering on which of the listed players has the highest (EDIT THIS) total on handicap after the 16 games of the Rams 2019 regular season. In the event of the Rams 2019 regular season not being exactly 16 games then ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded. Only stats recorded as a Rams player count. The bet winner will be the highest placed finisher on the Sportsbook betting list. If 2 or more competitors on this list tie for the highest placed finish the tie-breaker will be the competitor in that tie that is nearest to the top of the Sportsbook betting list.
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Rams regular season 7 receiving yards handicap
Listed competitors only! You are wagering on which of the listed players has the highest net receiving yardage total on handicap after the 16 games of the Rams 2019 regular season. In the event of the Rams 2019 regular season not being exactly 16 games then ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded. Only stats recorded as a Rams player count. The bet winner will be the highest placed finisher on the Sportsbook betting list. If 2 or more competitors on this list tie for the highest placed finish the tie-breaker will be the competitor in that tie that is nearest to the top of the Sportsbook betting list.
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Rams regular season 8 Todd Gurley total rushing yards
You are wagering on Todd Gurley's total for rushing yards after the 16 games of the Rams 2019 regular season. In the event of the Rams 2019 regular season not being exactly 16 games then ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded. Only stats recorded as a Rams player count.
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Horse racing
Bets will stand on any event that is rescheduled by up to 50 hours. If a location is altered or an event starts outside the 50 hour time limit affected bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
The trophy presentation will be treated as the final result for bet settlement purposes.
This Sportsbook closes on Jul 7 2019 at 04:00 EST. Bets on any competitor who officially withdraws before then will be settled as a push. Bets on any competitor who officially withdraws before then will be settled as a push. Competitors who have not withdrawn by that time are deemed to have competed. If any of the top (EDIT NUMBER) listed competitors, (by shortest price), withdraw before the Sportsbook closes then ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
There will be no 'British Rule 4' deductions to winning bets in respect of any non-runners.
Odds are done to normal ROD Bookie low margins so expect to see higher odds than are available with real bookies.
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Cycling
Tour events are NOT subject to the following time or location rules but stage races are. Bets will stand on any event that is rescheduled by up to 50 hours. If a location is altered or an event starts outside the 50 hour time limit ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
Listed competitors only! You are wagering on who will be the highest placed finisher in the Yellow Jersey, (overall time), competition from the 14 competitors listed. The bet winner will be the highest placed finisher on the Sportsbook betting list. If 2 or more competitors on this list tie for the highest placed finish the tie-breaker will be the competitor in that tie that is nearest to the top of the Sportsbook betting list.
This Sportsbook closes on Jul 7 2019 at 04:00 EST. Bets on any competitor who officially withdraws before then will be settled as a push. Competitors who have not withdrawn by that time are deemed to have competed. If any of the top (EDIT NUMBER) listed competitors, (by shortest price), withdraw before the Sportsbook closes then ALL bets will be void and settled as a push with stakes refunded.
If all listed competitors fail to complete the race then all bets will be losers.
The podium ceremony will be treated as the final result for bet settlement purposes.
***Adjust Jersey colour for event. EG Pink for Giro d'Italia
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F1 Driver's Championship 2019 without Mercedes, Ferrari, & Red Bull
Listed competitors only! You are wagering on who finishes highest in the F1 Driver's Championship 2019 excluding anyone who drives for Mercedes, Ferrari, or Red Bull. Listed drivers only. Any driver who switches team will be disqualified and treated as a losing bet for bet settlement purposes.
Any FIA decision regarding to points deducted, disqualification, etc will over-ride the points table. The Driver's Championship table incorporating the result of the final event immediately after its completion will be treated as the final result for bet settlement purposes.
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Premier League 2018/19 relegation treble
You are wagering on which 3 team are relegated from the 2018/19 Premier League. Any other scenario is Huddersfield avoid relegation, Fulham avoid relegation, or any unlisted team is relegated. The Premier League table incorporating the result of the final event immediately after its completion will be treated as the final result for bet settlement purposes.
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World Cup Groups
You are wagering on which team wins the Group.
Any FIFA decision regarding the final outcome of the Group will be treated as the final result for bet settlement purposes.
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Preseason 'free' bets
1 bet per member. The minimum bet is $100. The maximum bet size is determined by the odds on the selection of your choice. I have set the win limit at $50000 so this Sportsbook shouldn't be the major factor in determining ROD's Richest Member for 2018.
Thus: the maximum bet on the Los Angeles Rams is $2500.
There are other events you can wager on.
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2017 NFL Draft
You are wagering on which players will be the 1st and 2nd overall picks in the 2017 NFL Draft.
Players picked must be in the EXACT order started.
If listed players are selected in a different order to the options available the winning selection will be 'Any other option'.
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2017 NFL Draft
These players only.
You are wagering on which of these 4 QBs is selected first.
The 1st QB selected does NOT have to be selected #1 overall, in the 1st Round, or at any specific point in the Draft.
In the unlikely event that NONE of the 4 QBs are selected before the end of the Draft all wagers on this event will be void and stakes will be refunded.
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2017 NFL Draft
These players only.
You are wagering on which order the 3 listed RBs will be selected in.
NONE of the players have to be selected #1 overall, in the 1st Round, or at any specific point in the Draft.
In the unlikely event that LESS than 2 of the 4 RBs are selected before the end of the Draft all wagers on this event will be void and stakes will be refunded.
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2017 NFL Draft
You are wagering on how many QBs will be selected in the 1st Round of the 2017 NFL Draft.
The 1st QB selected does NOT have to be selected #1 overall.
Maximum 32 picks. Any forfeited picks will not be replaced by #33 and #34 picks etc.
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2017 NFL Draft
Group A is: TE O.J. Howard, DE Derek Barnett, QB Mitchell Trubisky, LB Reuben Foster, and WR Mike Williams.
These players only.
You are wagering on which of these 5 players is selected first.
The 1st player selected does NOT have to be selected #1 overall, in the 1st Round, or at any specific point in the Draft.
In the unlikely event that NONE of the 5 players are selected before the end of the Draft all wagers on this event will be void and stakes will be refunded.
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2017 NFL Draft
You are wagering on the total number of picks the Rams will make in the 2017 NFL Draft.
The first Rams pick does NOT have to be picked #1 overall, in the 1st Round, or at any specific point in the Draft.
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2017 NFL Draft
You are wagering on the total number of trades for picks made during the 1st round NOT the number of picks traded. The wager does NOT start until the Commissioner puts the team with the #1 pick on the clock. Trades made before then are NOT included. The wager finishes when the #32 pick is announced. A trade with a 1st round pick for a player is 1 trade. A trade with a 1st round pick for a future pick is 1 trade. A trade with a 1st round pick for a different 1st round pick is 1 trade. A trade with a 1st round pick for 2 lower 1st round picks is 1 trade. A multi-way trade involving 1 or more 1st round picks and more than 2 teams at the same time is 1 trade. Trades announced separately are more than 1 trade. EG team trades down from #10 to #14 = 1 trade. Team later trades down from #14 to #19 = new/another 1 trade.
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Jerry Tillery @ 31?
- By sdakotaram
- RAMS / NFL TALK
- 53 Replies
A simple poll 
I think he could be awesome!!!
I think he could be awesome!!!
Rams sign Countess, five exclusive rights free agents
- By T-REX
- RAMS / NFL TALK
- 22 Replies
https://www.therams.com/news/rams-sign-countess-five-exclusive-rights-free-agents
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With the start of the offseason program on Monday, the Rams have signed restricted free agent safety Blake Countess and the team's five tendered exclusive rights free agents.
As a RFA, Countess was tendered at the original-round level in March but did not receive an offer sheet on the open market. He signed his one-year contract on Monday.
Exclusive-rights free agents defensive end Morgan Fox, defensive back Dominique Hatfield, wide receiver KhaDarel Hodge, returner JoJo Natson, and defensive back Kevin Peterson all signed their one-year deals on Monday.
Of the group, both Fox and Peterson are returning from season-ending knee injuries suffered during the 2018 offseason program and 2018 training camp, respectively.
Natson was Los Angeles’ primary punt returner last year, before also assuming kick return duties late in the season. Natson averaged 10.8 yards per punt return and 18.0 yards per kick return.
Hatfield appeared in 10 2018 games, and Hodge appeared in 14 — with both mainly playing special teams. Hodge did make a pair of receptions for 17 yards.
Head coach Sean McVay is scheduled to address the media at noon on Monday to start the Rams' offseason program.
With the start of the offseason program on Monday, the Rams have signed restricted free agent safety Blake Countess and the team's five tendered exclusive rights free agents.
As a RFA, Countess was tendered at the original-round level in March but did not receive an offer sheet on the open market. He signed his one-year contract on Monday.
Exclusive-rights free agents defensive end Morgan Fox, defensive back Dominique Hatfield, wide receiver KhaDarel Hodge, returner JoJo Natson, and defensive back Kevin Peterson all signed their one-year deals on Monday.
Of the group, both Fox and Peterson are returning from season-ending knee injuries suffered during the 2018 offseason program and 2018 training camp, respectively.
Natson was Los Angeles’ primary punt returner last year, before also assuming kick return duties late in the season. Natson averaged 10.8 yards per punt return and 18.0 yards per kick return.
Hatfield appeared in 10 2018 games, and Hodge appeared in 14 — with both mainly playing special teams. Hodge did make a pair of receptions for 17 yards.
Head coach Sean McVay is scheduled to address the media at noon on Monday to start the Rams' offseason program.
Tiger Woods completes miracle comeback with epic Masters victory
- By T-REX
- GENERAL SPORTS TALK
- 13 Replies
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/tiger-...back-with-epic-masters-victory-182724603.html
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AUGUSTA, Ga. — Welcome, friends, to the greatest comeback in sports history.
After all the scandals, all the injuries, all the surgeries, all the drama, all the he’s-done declarations, Tiger Woods has won the Masters. In 2019.
Nearly 11 years after his last major victory — the longest drought in golf history — Woods won the Masters by one stroke with a bravura 70 final round, keeping his head while the best of the next generation of golfers lost theirs. Six golfers held at least a share of the lead over the day, five tied with only a handful of holes left. But as it was in 1997, so it was 22 years later: Woods walking off the 18th green to delirious cheers, another green jacket awaiting him — his 15th major win in total.
“Tiger! Tiger! Tiger!” the crowd around 18 yelled, a comeback complete.
The win brought an emotion rarely seen from Woods, who threw up his arms in triumph, unable to wipe the smile off his face. A fist pump. A scream. A massive hug from his son Charlie, who wasn’t born the last time Tiger won one of these.
“I’m a little hoarse from yelling,” Woods said afterwards. “... When I tapped the putt in, I don’t know what I did; I know I screamed. To have my kids there, it’s come full circle. My dad was there in ‘97 [when he won for the first time], and now I’m the dad.”
It was total euphoria at Augusta National.
With all due respect to the vast talents of Brooks Koepka, Francesco Molinari et. al., there are two storylines at every Masters: Tiger Woods, and everyone else. That’s not media bias or wishful thinking, that’s objective reality. Tiger draws the largest and loudest galleries, Tiger pulls in the biggest ratings, Tiger summons cheers at Augusta that don’t sound like anywhere else on earth.
The difference in 2019 as opposed to recent history is this: Woods arrived in Augusta with his first legitimate chance to win in more than half a decade. He’d missed three of the last five due to health reasons, and he’d been irrelevant in the other two. Now, though, he’s as golf-ready as a 43-year-old can be, with another PGA Tour win in his pocket since last year.
Woods remains the biggest story in golf, but not the only story. Koepka is riding a Tiger-esque majors hot streak — two of the last three, three of the last seven — and Molinari has punched Tiger in the face while winning both the British Open and the Ryder Cup over the last nine months.
Thursday began under one of those classic Augusta skies, blue and deep and breezy, with the gallery buzzing and the birdies flying. This was one of those “future of golf” days, where Koepka and mad scientist Bryson DeChambeau took the early lead at -6. Right behind them: Phil Mickelson, Dustin Johnson, and the usual collection of leaderboard cameos. Molinari and Woods lurked further down the leaderboard at -2.
Then came Friday, which was without question one of the strangest days in recent Masters history. Big names came out firing, and by the day’s end an unprecedented five major winners — Molinari, Koepka, Louis Oosthuizen, Adam Scott and Jason Day — shared the lead at -7.
But we expected all that. What we didn’t expect was an enthusiastic security guard becoming part of Masters lore by slipping and sliding right into Woods’ ankle while trying to hold back a vicious Augusta gallery. Woods hobbled for a moment but ended up birdieing the hole, and CBS promptly memory-holed the footage.
Saturday was King Kong, Godzilla and Mothra all elbowing for space, with Tony Finau sneaking in there amongst them. Molinari, who once caddied next to Woods at a Masters, put distance between himself and the field with the relentless, mechanical precision of an avalanche. Woods and Koepka kept pace, and Finau snuck in with one of the three 64s on the day.
With ugly weather on the way, Augusta National moved tee times up — way, way up — almost six hours earlier than normal, splitting the field into two and tripling up the pairings. So there wasn’t much time to meditate on what a Masters Sunday with Tiger Woods in sight of the lead might mean to history before the leaders teed off.
Early on, Molinari seemed invincible, running his par streak to 49 holes and, as of the sixth hole, posting a three-stroke lead on the field. Molinari’s dead-eyed stare and clinical perfection — plus the fact that he had history against Woods — seemed to bode well for his chances, and ill for everyone who wanted to see Woods win his first major since 2008.
But then Woods nearly drained his approach on 7, Molinari bogeyed for a two-shot swing, and the door cracked open just a wee bit. Five holes later, Molinari put a shot into the drink on 12, and everything on the course turned sideways in a hurry, from the leaderboard to the skies.
Molinari’s shot into Rae’s Creek, fired just as the rain was starting to fall, dropped him into a tie with Woods, who played it safe on 12 and went for dry land rather than a risky shot at the pin. But the misfire also kicked the door wide open for a host of unlikely leaders, including Xander Schauffele and Patrick Cantlay. Golf Twitter virtually ignited for the three minutes or so that Cantlay eagled 15 and grabbed the solo lead at -12. He promptly gave back the lead on the very next hole, but it was a nice run for a moment.
A couple strokes down the leaderboard, a horde of last-minute dive-bombers threw red numbers up on the board, trying to force their way into the green jacket conversation; Dustin Johnson, Rickie Fowler, Bubba Watson, Jon Rahm and Day pounded their way into double-figure below-par scores.
Day was the first one to the clubhouse, posting a mark of -11 after a clutch birdie on 18. At the time he finished, two players were tied with him and three sat one stroke ahead.
But Day’s clubhouse lead grew flimsier by the minute. Johnson birdied 17 and Koepka birdied 15 to join Woods, Schauffele and Molinari at -12.
Again: that’s four major winners — and Xander Schauffele — tied at -12 with four holes left to go in the Masters. If this wasn’t the greatest collection of talent ever to top a leaderboard this late in a major, it’d do just fine until someone came up with one.
And then the wheels started coming off. Molinari was the first to go, sending his hopes to a watery grave when he popped his approach on 15 off a branch and into the water. Fowler’s home-run swing fell just short, and he bogeyed the 18th. Johnson just skirted a birdie putt to finish at -12 and knock Day out of any chance at a playoff.
Woods, meanwhile, took the solo lead at the Masters with three holes to play after a smooth birdie on 15. He followed that with the second-best shot he’s ever pulled off at the 16th, a curling drop that left him inches for birdie.
Two-shot lead. Two holes to go. And all of a sudden it was the early 2000s again, Tiger Woods in red, walking down the fairway at Augusta after a perfectly striped tee shot, the gallery on its feet cheering him. The figure that Koepka, Schauffele, Jordan Spieth, Justin Thomas and so many others had admired as kids was here, stepping out of Golf Channel reruns to bust them down the leaderboard.
The last time Tiger won a major, his daughter was about to turn 1, his son not even born. Sunday, both were greenside to witness something they’d only ever heard about. At 43, Tiger Woods became the second oldest winner of the Masters, behind Jack Nicklaus.
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AUGUSTA, Ga. — Welcome, friends, to the greatest comeback in sports history.
After all the scandals, all the injuries, all the surgeries, all the drama, all the he’s-done declarations, Tiger Woods has won the Masters. In 2019.
Nearly 11 years after his last major victory — the longest drought in golf history — Woods won the Masters by one stroke with a bravura 70 final round, keeping his head while the best of the next generation of golfers lost theirs. Six golfers held at least a share of the lead over the day, five tied with only a handful of holes left. But as it was in 1997, so it was 22 years later: Woods walking off the 18th green to delirious cheers, another green jacket awaiting him — his 15th major win in total.
“Tiger! Tiger! Tiger!” the crowd around 18 yelled, a comeback complete.
The win brought an emotion rarely seen from Woods, who threw up his arms in triumph, unable to wipe the smile off his face. A fist pump. A scream. A massive hug from his son Charlie, who wasn’t born the last time Tiger won one of these.
“I’m a little hoarse from yelling,” Woods said afterwards. “... When I tapped the putt in, I don’t know what I did; I know I screamed. To have my kids there, it’s come full circle. My dad was there in ‘97 [when he won for the first time], and now I’m the dad.”
It was total euphoria at Augusta National.
With all due respect to the vast talents of Brooks Koepka, Francesco Molinari et. al., there are two storylines at every Masters: Tiger Woods, and everyone else. That’s not media bias or wishful thinking, that’s objective reality. Tiger draws the largest and loudest galleries, Tiger pulls in the biggest ratings, Tiger summons cheers at Augusta that don’t sound like anywhere else on earth.
The difference in 2019 as opposed to recent history is this: Woods arrived in Augusta with his first legitimate chance to win in more than half a decade. He’d missed three of the last five due to health reasons, and he’d been irrelevant in the other two. Now, though, he’s as golf-ready as a 43-year-old can be, with another PGA Tour win in his pocket since last year.
Woods remains the biggest story in golf, but not the only story. Koepka is riding a Tiger-esque majors hot streak — two of the last three, three of the last seven — and Molinari has punched Tiger in the face while winning both the British Open and the Ryder Cup over the last nine months.
Thursday began under one of those classic Augusta skies, blue and deep and breezy, with the gallery buzzing and the birdies flying. This was one of those “future of golf” days, where Koepka and mad scientist Bryson DeChambeau took the early lead at -6. Right behind them: Phil Mickelson, Dustin Johnson, and the usual collection of leaderboard cameos. Molinari and Woods lurked further down the leaderboard at -2.
Then came Friday, which was without question one of the strangest days in recent Masters history. Big names came out firing, and by the day’s end an unprecedented five major winners — Molinari, Koepka, Louis Oosthuizen, Adam Scott and Jason Day — shared the lead at -7.
But we expected all that. What we didn’t expect was an enthusiastic security guard becoming part of Masters lore by slipping and sliding right into Woods’ ankle while trying to hold back a vicious Augusta gallery. Woods hobbled for a moment but ended up birdieing the hole, and CBS promptly memory-holed the footage.
Saturday was King Kong, Godzilla and Mothra all elbowing for space, with Tony Finau sneaking in there amongst them. Molinari, who once caddied next to Woods at a Masters, put distance between himself and the field with the relentless, mechanical precision of an avalanche. Woods and Koepka kept pace, and Finau snuck in with one of the three 64s on the day.
With ugly weather on the way, Augusta National moved tee times up — way, way up — almost six hours earlier than normal, splitting the field into two and tripling up the pairings. So there wasn’t much time to meditate on what a Masters Sunday with Tiger Woods in sight of the lead might mean to history before the leaders teed off.
Early on, Molinari seemed invincible, running his par streak to 49 holes and, as of the sixth hole, posting a three-stroke lead on the field. Molinari’s dead-eyed stare and clinical perfection — plus the fact that he had history against Woods — seemed to bode well for his chances, and ill for everyone who wanted to see Woods win his first major since 2008.
But then Woods nearly drained his approach on 7, Molinari bogeyed for a two-shot swing, and the door cracked open just a wee bit. Five holes later, Molinari put a shot into the drink on 12, and everything on the course turned sideways in a hurry, from the leaderboard to the skies.
Molinari’s shot into Rae’s Creek, fired just as the rain was starting to fall, dropped him into a tie with Woods, who played it safe on 12 and went for dry land rather than a risky shot at the pin. But the misfire also kicked the door wide open for a host of unlikely leaders, including Xander Schauffele and Patrick Cantlay. Golf Twitter virtually ignited for the three minutes or so that Cantlay eagled 15 and grabbed the solo lead at -12. He promptly gave back the lead on the very next hole, but it was a nice run for a moment.
A couple strokes down the leaderboard, a horde of last-minute dive-bombers threw red numbers up on the board, trying to force their way into the green jacket conversation; Dustin Johnson, Rickie Fowler, Bubba Watson, Jon Rahm and Day pounded their way into double-figure below-par scores.
Day was the first one to the clubhouse, posting a mark of -11 after a clutch birdie on 18. At the time he finished, two players were tied with him and three sat one stroke ahead.
But Day’s clubhouse lead grew flimsier by the minute. Johnson birdied 17 and Koepka birdied 15 to join Woods, Schauffele and Molinari at -12.
Again: that’s four major winners — and Xander Schauffele — tied at -12 with four holes left to go in the Masters. If this wasn’t the greatest collection of talent ever to top a leaderboard this late in a major, it’d do just fine until someone came up with one.
And then the wheels started coming off. Molinari was the first to go, sending his hopes to a watery grave when he popped his approach on 15 off a branch and into the water. Fowler’s home-run swing fell just short, and he bogeyed the 18th. Johnson just skirted a birdie putt to finish at -12 and knock Day out of any chance at a playoff.
Woods, meanwhile, took the solo lead at the Masters with three holes to play after a smooth birdie on 15. He followed that with the second-best shot he’s ever pulled off at the 16th, a curling drop that left him inches for birdie.
Two-shot lead. Two holes to go. And all of a sudden it was the early 2000s again, Tiger Woods in red, walking down the fairway at Augusta after a perfectly striped tee shot, the gallery on its feet cheering him. The figure that Koepka, Schauffele, Jordan Spieth, Justin Thomas and so many others had admired as kids was here, stepping out of Golf Channel reruns to bust them down the leaderboard.
The last time Tiger won a major, his daughter was about to turn 1, his son not even born. Sunday, both were greenside to witness something they’d only ever heard about. At 43, Tiger Woods became the second oldest winner of the Masters, behind Jack Nicklaus.
Men with beards carry more germs than dogs
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sun-men/8860464/men-beards-germs-dogs-bacteria/
FEELING RUFF
Men with beards carry more germs than dogs including deadly bacteria in facial fuzz, study claims
Professor Andreas Gutzeit said the study showed hounds were 'clean compared with bearded men'
By Phoebe Cooke
14th April 2019, 10:24 am
Updated: 14th April 2019, 4:23 pm
MEN with beards carry more germs than dogs including deadly bacteria in their facial fuzz, a hair-raising study has found.
Researchers discovered that nearly half of all sampled beards hosted bugs dangerous to human health.
Dogs were described as ‘cleaner’ than bearded men, a surprising study has shown
The study was trying to determine whether there was a risk of humans picking up a dog-borne disease from an MRI scanner also used for examinations by vets, the Mail On Sunday reports.
In examining the beards of 18 men and the necks of 30 dogs from a number of breeds, scientists found that even hounds had lower levels of microbes than the beards surveyed.
Professor Andreas Gutzeit, of Switzerland’s Hirslanden Clinic, said: “The researchers found a significantly higher bacterial load in specimens taken from the men’s beards compared with the dogs’ fur.”
On the basis of these findings, dogs can be considered as clean compared with bearded men
Professor Andreas Gutzeit
The study found all of the bearded men, aged from 18 to 76, showed high microbial counts, while only 23 out of 30 dogs had high counts, and the remainder had moderate levels.
Seven of the men were shown to have bugs hazardous to human health.
The scanners were disinfected after the dogs were examined on the MRI scanner, showing a “significantly” lower bacteria count compared with levels seen when used by humans.
“On the basis of these findings, dogs can be considered as clean compared with bearded men,” said Dr Gutzeit.
Keith Flett, founder of the Beard Liberation Front that promotes facial hair, was not impressed by the report.
“I think it’s possible to find all sorts of unpleasant things if you took swabs from people’s hair and hands and then tested them,” he told the Mail.
“I don’t believe that beards in themselves are unhygienic.
“There seems to be a constant stream of negative stories about beards that suggest it’s more about pogonophobia [the fear of beards] than anything else.”
FEELING RUFF
Men with beards carry more germs than dogs including deadly bacteria in facial fuzz, study claims
Professor Andreas Gutzeit said the study showed hounds were 'clean compared with bearded men'
By Phoebe Cooke
14th April 2019, 10:24 am
Updated: 14th April 2019, 4:23 pm
MEN with beards carry more germs than dogs including deadly bacteria in their facial fuzz, a hair-raising study has found.
Researchers discovered that nearly half of all sampled beards hosted bugs dangerous to human health.
Dogs were described as ‘cleaner’ than bearded men, a surprising study has shown
The study was trying to determine whether there was a risk of humans picking up a dog-borne disease from an MRI scanner also used for examinations by vets, the Mail On Sunday reports.
In examining the beards of 18 men and the necks of 30 dogs from a number of breeds, scientists found that even hounds had lower levels of microbes than the beards surveyed.
Professor Andreas Gutzeit, of Switzerland’s Hirslanden Clinic, said: “The researchers found a significantly higher bacterial load in specimens taken from the men’s beards compared with the dogs’ fur.”
On the basis of these findings, dogs can be considered as clean compared with bearded men
Professor Andreas Gutzeit
The study found all of the bearded men, aged from 18 to 76, showed high microbial counts, while only 23 out of 30 dogs had high counts, and the remainder had moderate levels.
Seven of the men were shown to have bugs hazardous to human health.
The scanners were disinfected after the dogs were examined on the MRI scanner, showing a “significantly” lower bacteria count compared with levels seen when used by humans.
“On the basis of these findings, dogs can be considered as clean compared with bearded men,” said Dr Gutzeit.
Keith Flett, founder of the Beard Liberation Front that promotes facial hair, was not impressed by the report.
“I think it’s possible to find all sorts of unpleasant things if you took swabs from people’s hair and hands and then tested them,” he told the Mail.
“I don’t believe that beards in themselves are unhygienic.
“There seems to be a constant stream of negative stories about beards that suggest it’s more about pogonophobia [the fear of beards] than anything else.”
OldSchool's mock
- By OldSchool
- NFL DRAFT / COLLEGE FOOTBALL
- 9 Replies
Haven't done any of these yet and talked about what I see the Rams doing. First and foremost is trade down in the 1st. There are several possible trade partners with Cleveland and the Giants explored in other mocks so for this one I'm going to go with a different partner in the Bengals.
Rams trade 1:31 to the Bengals for 2:42 and a 2020 2nd round pick. We might have to give up a later round pick to make this happen but for now I'm going to move forward with this. Rams will have more free agents next year and a couple extensions likely that could result in some 2020 cap cuts.
We will also trade down with our 4th round pick 4:133 with Cleveland for 5:170 and 6:189.
Making our picks
2(10)
3(30)
3(35)
5(18)
5(31)
6(17)
6(30)
7(38)
Also a 2nd next year.
2(10) Jachai Polite EDGE Florida
He's becoming a pretty standard pick. Fowler is on a 1 year deal, Matthews isn't his former self and while we hope Samson takes the next step and Obo develops you can never have too many pass rushers. Our roster situation right now gives us the opportunity to make him a pro and coach him up. He'll have the chance to learn from some excellent leaders and should start next year when we don't bring back Fowler. He's gonna have to find a new number though.
3(30) Julian Love CB Notre Dame
This might be a little generous of a draft spot he could be gone in case of that there are a couple others I'd look at like Isaiah Johnson. I'm a big believer we need to add a CB or two, likely a couple UDFA brought in.
3(35) Nate Davis G Charlotte
Another mainstay in Rams mocks. We visited with him multiple times and he was stellar in the Senior Bowl. It makes too much sense and it checks many boxes for a Rams draft pick.
5(18) Sheldrick Redwyne S Miami
Another guy we've met with a couple times and fills a need. Many will want to go with Safety earlier but we have a couple guys in depth that Wade has used heavily so we aren't in a huge need spot here for 2019 but this is a pick for 2020, like I think most of our picks will be.
5(31) Mark Fields CB Clemson
Didn't start a lot at Clemson but played regularly in the slot. I'm double dipping at CB here but again this is a guy for 2020. NRC is a free agent after the 2020 season so we have a couple years to develop a replacement. In the meantime he's a ST guy to learn behind our veteran CB room.
6(17) Bryce Love RB Standford
IMO good value to add behind Gurley and company. Coming back from an ACL after a very productive college career. With that again he won't be needed but if he's healthy and picks up pass protection he could contribute as a rookie.
6(30) QB Easton Stick NDSU
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At this point just stealing a guy we've seen mocked in here several times and it makes sense to add in a young guy behind Goff and Bortles and to compete with the camp body we recently added.
7(38) Albert Huggins DT Clemson
Sorry Jrry I'm double dipping from Clemson Huggins is a strong defender that needs work. He'll take some work but could be a later round gem, a perfect 7th rounder.
Some UDFA I'd look at are:
Isaiah Holder CB Standford
O'Shea Dugas G La Tech
Malik Reed Edge Nevada
I could see us add in a few ILB and OLine in UDFA.
Have at it, tear me up. I didn't add a higher pick for a DT waited till our last pick. I only took 1 OLine but I'm confident we add a few UDFA. And the biggest complaint I'm sure I'll get is trading down and not benefiting from it this year instead adding a 2020 pick.
Rams trade 1:31 to the Bengals for 2:42 and a 2020 2nd round pick. We might have to give up a later round pick to make this happen but for now I'm going to move forward with this. Rams will have more free agents next year and a couple extensions likely that could result in some 2020 cap cuts.
We will also trade down with our 4th round pick 4:133 with Cleveland for 5:170 and 6:189.
Making our picks
2(10)
3(30)
3(35)
5(18)
5(31)
6(17)
6(30)
7(38)
Also a 2nd next year.
2(10) Jachai Polite EDGE Florida
He's becoming a pretty standard pick. Fowler is on a 1 year deal, Matthews isn't his former self and while we hope Samson takes the next step and Obo develops you can never have too many pass rushers. Our roster situation right now gives us the opportunity to make him a pro and coach him up. He'll have the chance to learn from some excellent leaders and should start next year when we don't bring back Fowler. He's gonna have to find a new number though.
3(30) Julian Love CB Notre Dame
This might be a little generous of a draft spot he could be gone in case of that there are a couple others I'd look at like Isaiah Johnson. I'm a big believer we need to add a CB or two, likely a couple UDFA brought in.
3(35) Nate Davis G Charlotte
Another mainstay in Rams mocks. We visited with him multiple times and he was stellar in the Senior Bowl. It makes too much sense and it checks many boxes for a Rams draft pick.
5(18) Sheldrick Redwyne S Miami
Another guy we've met with a couple times and fills a need. Many will want to go with Safety earlier but we have a couple guys in depth that Wade has used heavily so we aren't in a huge need spot here for 2019 but this is a pick for 2020, like I think most of our picks will be.
5(31) Mark Fields CB Clemson
Didn't start a lot at Clemson but played regularly in the slot. I'm double dipping at CB here but again this is a guy for 2020. NRC is a free agent after the 2020 season so we have a couple years to develop a replacement. In the meantime he's a ST guy to learn behind our veteran CB room.
6(17) Bryce Love RB Standford
IMO good value to add behind Gurley and company. Coming back from an ACL after a very productive college career. With that again he won't be needed but if he's healthy and picks up pass protection he could contribute as a rookie.
6(30) QB Easton Stick NDSU
At this point just stealing a guy we've seen mocked in here several times and it makes sense to add in a young guy behind Goff and Bortles and to compete with the camp body we recently added.
7(38) Albert Huggins DT Clemson
Sorry Jrry I'm double dipping from Clemson
Huggins is a strong defender that needs work. He'll take some work but could be a later round gem, a perfect 7th rounder.Some UDFA I'd look at are:
Isaiah Holder CB Standford
O'Shea Dugas G La Tech
Malik Reed Edge Nevada
I could see us add in a few ILB and OLine in UDFA.
Have at it, tear me up. I didn't add a higher pick for a DT waited till our last pick. I only took 1 OLine but I'm confident we add a few UDFA. And the biggest complaint I'm sure I'll get is trading down and not benefiting from it this year instead adding a 2020 pick.
Should the Rams trade out of the first round of the NFL draft?
- By BonifayRam
- RAMS / NFL TALK
- 52 Replies
https://www.pe.com/2019/04/13/kartje-should-the-rams-trade-out-of-the-first-round-of-the-nfl-draft/
Should the Rams trade out of the first round of the NFL draft?
By Ryan Kartje
Trading down in the draft has proved valuable, and the depth at a certain position could suit the Rams well
Fourteen years ago, in a paper first published by the National Bureau of Economic Research, two economists posited that NFL teams had failed to understand the value of their top draft picks. Thousands of hours of work spent by scouting departments had made them overconfident in their own judgment.
As such, these teams routinely overvalued their highest selections – and even made irrational deals to accumulate even higher picks, when it made far more sense to do the opposite. The NFL draft’s best value, the economists found, always came from trading down.
Several NFL analytics departments took notice at the time. The Patriots, as one might expect, became masters of such draft manipulation. But most teams continued to ignore this logic entirely. In an interview, one of the paper’s authors, Richard Thaler, spoke of his experience working with Washington owner Dan Snyder, who heard Thaler out, before promptly ignoring all of his advice during the draft. Years later, in a fitting twist, Thaler would go on to win the Nobel Prize in Economics for his work in predicting irrational behavior.
“Market forces have not been strong enough to overcome these human failings,” the authors concluded.
Even smart franchises have fallen victim to these failings during draft season. Last year, the Saints traded away a future first-round pick, along with their No. 27 overall pick and fifth-rounder, to move up 13 spots to 14th overall. That pick became pass rusher Marcus Davenport, who finished with five sacks and showed some promise as a rookie. But was it enough promise to match the value of two first-round picks? Unless
Davenport becomes a perennial Pro Bowler, how could it be?
Take the Colts, for example. Last season, they moved down three spots, from third overall to sixth, netting two second-round picks in 2018 and a future second-rounder in 2019 from the Jets, who coveted USC quarterback Sam Darnold.
The jury is still out on Darnold, but there’s no denying the historic haul the Colts received in return for his draft rights. The Colts used the sixth overall pick to draft All-Pro rookie guard Quenton Nelson. Then, with back-to-back picks early in the second round, one from the Jets and the other their own, the Colts took another All-Pro – and defensive rookie of the year – linebacker Darius Leonard, followed by their starting right tackle, Braden Smith.
It almost never is. The smartest NFL teams, instead, take advantage of their overconfident peers’ worst instincts and use them to exploit inefficiencies in the market. They trick other teams into trading up, pile up future picks, and then choose a player with an almost identical chance of success as the one they would’ve drafted.
Had they stayed put, the Colts could’ve added a Pro Bowl corner in Denzel Ward or a talented pass rusher like Bradley Chubb. But by trading down just three spots, the Colts added two additional high-level starters, and in less than two weeks, they’ll add yet another. Thanks to the Jets, they also own the 34th overall pick in the upcoming draft.
The Rams are slated to pick just three slots before that. But unless one of the top prospects on their board tumbles to the end of the first, they should explore every possible option to trade down, out of the round. The Rams haven’t picked in the first round since trading up to take Jared Goff with the top overall pick in 2016. They could definitely use another first-round talent on either the defensive or offensive lines.
But by trading down a few picks, the Rams could potentially address both lines. When the Eagles traded the 32nd overall pick last season to the Ravens, they selected tight end Dallas Goedert 17 picks later, moved up seven spots in the fourth to choose a starting corner and, for good measure, added a second-round pick (53rd overall) in the 2019 draft.
The Rams don’t even have to trade down that far to add serious value. In 2017, the Seahawks moved down just four spots from No. 31 and got a fourth-round pick out of the deal.There’s no reason to think the Rams couldn’t see at least that value – and perhaps even more. Considering the team’s recent success rate with third- and fourth-round picks – receiver Cooper Kupp, safety John Johnson, linebacker Samson Ebukam, etc. – that additional selection could make a significant difference.
The difference between the 31st and 35th pick in this draft, meanwhile, could prove negligible. The draft is deep with defensive talent into the second round, and the Rams’ needs happen to correspond to where the draft is deepest – most notably, on the defensive line. It’s not unreasonable to think Clemson’s Dexter Lawrence could be available with the 34th overall pick with the 34th overall pick or that DeAndre Baker, the Georgia cornerback, could keep sliding all the way to 37.
It’s impossible to predict just how the draft will unfold, but the only true formula for drafting better players is to have more draft picks. Unless there are compensatory selections Les Snead has somehow failed to already unearth, trading down from the first round is the Rams’ most economical path to piling up those picks.
Should the Rams trade out of the first round of the NFL draft?
By Ryan Kartje
Trading down in the draft has proved valuable, and the depth at a certain position could suit the Rams well
Fourteen years ago, in a paper first published by the National Bureau of Economic Research, two economists posited that NFL teams had failed to understand the value of their top draft picks. Thousands of hours of work spent by scouting departments had made them overconfident in their own judgment.
As such, these teams routinely overvalued their highest selections – and even made irrational deals to accumulate even higher picks, when it made far more sense to do the opposite. The NFL draft’s best value, the economists found, always came from trading down.
Several NFL analytics departments took notice at the time. The Patriots, as one might expect, became masters of such draft manipulation. But most teams continued to ignore this logic entirely. In an interview, one of the paper’s authors, Richard Thaler, spoke of his experience working with Washington owner Dan Snyder, who heard Thaler out, before promptly ignoring all of his advice during the draft. Years later, in a fitting twist, Thaler would go on to win the Nobel Prize in Economics for his work in predicting irrational behavior.
“Market forces have not been strong enough to overcome these human failings,” the authors concluded.
Even smart franchises have fallen victim to these failings during draft season. Last year, the Saints traded away a future first-round pick, along with their No. 27 overall pick and fifth-rounder, to move up 13 spots to 14th overall. That pick became pass rusher Marcus Davenport, who finished with five sacks and showed some promise as a rookie. But was it enough promise to match the value of two first-round picks? Unless
Davenport becomes a perennial Pro Bowler, how could it be?
Take the Colts, for example. Last season, they moved down three spots, from third overall to sixth, netting two second-round picks in 2018 and a future second-rounder in 2019 from the Jets, who coveted USC quarterback Sam Darnold.
The jury is still out on Darnold, but there’s no denying the historic haul the Colts received in return for his draft rights. The Colts used the sixth overall pick to draft All-Pro rookie guard Quenton Nelson. Then, with back-to-back picks early in the second round, one from the Jets and the other their own, the Colts took another All-Pro – and defensive rookie of the year – linebacker Darius Leonard, followed by their starting right tackle, Braden Smith.
It almost never is. The smartest NFL teams, instead, take advantage of their overconfident peers’ worst instincts and use them to exploit inefficiencies in the market. They trick other teams into trading up, pile up future picks, and then choose a player with an almost identical chance of success as the one they would’ve drafted.
Had they stayed put, the Colts could’ve added a Pro Bowl corner in Denzel Ward or a talented pass rusher like Bradley Chubb. But by trading down just three spots, the Colts added two additional high-level starters, and in less than two weeks, they’ll add yet another. Thanks to the Jets, they also own the 34th overall pick in the upcoming draft.
The Rams are slated to pick just three slots before that. But unless one of the top prospects on their board tumbles to the end of the first, they should explore every possible option to trade down, out of the round. The Rams haven’t picked in the first round since trading up to take Jared Goff with the top overall pick in 2016. They could definitely use another first-round talent on either the defensive or offensive lines.
But by trading down a few picks, the Rams could potentially address both lines. When the Eagles traded the 32nd overall pick last season to the Ravens, they selected tight end Dallas Goedert 17 picks later, moved up seven spots in the fourth to choose a starting corner and, for good measure, added a second-round pick (53rd overall) in the 2019 draft.
The Rams don’t even have to trade down that far to add serious value. In 2017, the Seahawks moved down just four spots from No. 31 and got a fourth-round pick out of the deal.There’s no reason to think the Rams couldn’t see at least that value – and perhaps even more. Considering the team’s recent success rate with third- and fourth-round picks – receiver Cooper Kupp, safety John Johnson, linebacker Samson Ebukam, etc. – that additional selection could make a significant difference.
The difference between the 31st and 35th pick in this draft, meanwhile, could prove negligible. The draft is deep with defensive talent into the second round, and the Rams’ needs happen to correspond to where the draft is deepest – most notably, on the defensive line. It’s not unreasonable to think Clemson’s Dexter Lawrence could be available with the 34th overall pick with the 34th overall pick or that DeAndre Baker, the Georgia cornerback, could keep sliding all the way to 37.
It’s impossible to predict just how the draft will unfold, but the only true formula for drafting better players is to have more draft picks. Unless there are compensatory selections Les Snead has somehow failed to already unearth, trading down from the first round is the Rams’ most economical path to piling up those picks.
