The start of Cam Akers' career with the Rams has been quite the roller coaster ride, to say the least.

He began on a low in 2020, averaging only 45.6 yards per game over his first eight games while sharing the load with Darrell Henderson. Whispers of a wasted day 2 draft pick were heard until, suddenly, in the final three games and two playoff games he averaged 97.8 yards per game, including a 131 yard performance against the Seahawks in the Wild Card round. Rams fans were excited about this rise and what it might mean for 2021.

Then, Akers' career hit a sudden low as he tore his Achilles tendon, apparently ending his 2021 campaign before it had a chance to start.

But then... a sudden rise. Akers was available for the final game of the season and the playoffs! His work ethic and drive seemed to be stuff of legend, as he recovered from a severe injury in record time. And, though his stats were certainly pedestrian (and he had a couple of key fumbles against Tampa), he took the RB1 spot from Sony Michel as the Rams won their championship.

Again, confidence was high. Akers was expected to hit the ground running at 100% in 2022, over a year removed from his injury. Instead, he found himself playing second-fiddle to Henderson at the start of the season, and his production (32.2 yards per game over the first five) was minimal. Rams fans (and disappointed fantasy owners!) were rightfully concerned. Maybe Akers would never get back to his late rookie campaign form.

Not only did Akers production hit a low point... his reputation did as well. By the end of October, he found himself in the doghouse as a healthy scratch and was reportedly on the trade block (with some believing he'd be released if no partner could be found).

But that wasn't the end of the story. It was Henderson, rather than Akers, who was moved and, at the end of the year, Akers had another major surge, averaging 102.5 yards rushing (5.5 ypc) and 24.5 yards receiving over the final four games of the season.

So, once again, Akers is at the top of the RB depth chart. Behind him is Michel and two promising young players, Kyren Williams and Zach Evans.

How will this roller coaster end? Will Akers finally put together a complete season with a productivity level comparable to his late season performances in 2020 and 2022, or will he falter and be supplanted?

While this uncertainty is a bit disconcerting, at least the Rams don't have to worry about Akers' contract. He'll finish his rookie contract this year but, having missed most of 2021, he will be a restricted free agent at the end of the year. So, if he finally breaks out, the Rams can easily keep him, and if he doesn't, they can let him go with no cap hit.

Buckle up...

Mind-blowing stat of Rams star Aaron Donald could help finish GOAT debates​

Is Los Angeles Rams defensive tackle Aaron Donald the most dominant defensive player in the history of the game? Well, the numbers certainly back up his case.

Donald is a three-time Defensive Player of the Year who has also made the Pro Bowl in all of his nine seasons so far in the NFL. He is a model of consistency, and while he hasn't won DPOY since 2020, that doesn't really say everything about how phenomenal he has been throughout his career.

One Donald stat is currently going viral on Twitter, and it speaks volumes of how unstoppable the Rams DT has been since 2017 at least. Apparently, Donald has faced 1,797 double teams throughout that span–which is 152 more than anyone else on the list–but he still leads all defensive tackles in pass-rush win rate, via JPA Football.

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If that doesn't put Aaron Donald in the GOAT conversation among all great defensive players, then it would be utter blasphemy.

Donald was a big reason why the Rams won Super Bowl LVI back in 2021. Overall in his career, Donald has recorded 18 passes defended, 24 forced fumbles and 490 combined tackles. He also has 237 QB hits and 167 tackles for lass, though the most impressive among those numbers is his 103.0 sacks.

The Rams star's dominance hasn't gone unnoticed, though. Just look at his latest Madden 2K24 rating. He's at 99 once again for the seventh straight year, breaking the record for the most consecutive years to have the highest rating possible in the video game. Peyton Manning previously held the record with six straight.

Hopefully, other fans and experts give him the same respect and appreciation.

Ok, the wife and I have made it across country and are in Pacific Grove, CA. Where should we eat you Cali clan?

Mims was a 2nd round pick in 2020. He showed some flashes in his rookie year but has since tailed off.
I know several on this Board were interested in him at one time.
If we can get him cheap enough is he worth a try out in training camp??

~ArkyRamsFan~

To notice it?

Can't remember if I've posted this vid but it really is something. In particular the quasi-crystals discussion is mindblowing.

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Los Angeles Rams fans have been anxiously waiting for the team to release new uniform sets, but they’ll have to wait a bit longer. On the most recent “11 Personnel” podcast from Rich Hammond and Jourdan Rodrigue of The Athletic, COO Kevin Demoff went on to update fans about the team’s future uniform plans.

“We’re not going to introduce a new jersey this season. We looked at a lot of different concepts over the past year and none of them felt like the right jersey to introduce,” Demoff said. “At this time, at this moment, whether it was looking at true alternates or throwbacks from different concepts historically, there was nothing that seemed like a great fit. We’ve always made it clear that we have the ability to add new uniforms. We also said we’re not going to add a uniform for the sake of adding a uniform.”

The Rams made the change last season to deploy their white “modern throwback” jerseys as their primary road uniforms. Demoff proceeded to say that the organization feels comfortable with their current uniform sets that are available, and a change isn’t necessarily coming in 2024 either.

“I think that’s really where the group landed this year and I think we feel very comfortable with the uniforms we have in the closet right now. Especially with last year’s change of making the white uniform our primary away uniform. I don’t think next year we’re necessarily on a different track. I think we’ll continue to explore. A different idea would have to pop up next year than what we’ve already explored. I think the earliest we’re probably looking at is 2025.”

Since the Rams moved back to Los Angeles in 2016, they’ve worn a handful of different uniform combinations. The franchise has made it clear that they intend to continue updating the uniforms to fit the team, but fans who were hoping for a new set of jerseys soon could be disappointed with Demoff’s recent update.

Pun intended.

When did we reach the point at which the rating of players on a video game is considered news?

Seriously?

Its not enough that we need to be inundated with the views of the analytics hacks at PFF, fantasy football "writers," unqualified bloggers and talking heads who have the knowledge base of an average sports bar regular. Now we have to argue about the score given by EA sports?

If that was the way we ranked players back in the day (yeah, I know I'm dating myself - now get off my lawn!), I guess Bo Jackson would have had a 183 rating (out of 100) in Tecmo Bowl.

So, yeah... congratulations on Aaron Donald becoming the first 7 time 99 rated player on Madden. That and a quarter will buy you a game of Galaga in 1983, I guess.

I wonder... how many people under the age of 30 even know who John Madden was? (HINT: he wasn't a coder).

I know I will regret it but I am starting this thread to propose an equitable solution to the current RB compensation issue.

First-off, I do think it is an issue; and, that issue is that RBs are not sufficiently compensated. The reasons are obvious, short-careers, quick decline and quality RBs are often available in later rounds. However, top-RBs are very valuable to their teams’ short-term success.

Now this suggestion does require owners to pay more money but I think that is reasonable. This puts more money in the RB’s pocket, and allows for some salary cap relief. This suggestion has no impact or rule change related to contract length, bonus-$ or guaranteed-$. It applies solely to the salary component of the contract.

The basic idea is that only an initial salary amount (to be agreed upon by the Owners and Union) would count $-for-$ against the cap.

Say $6M (I chose it randomly but it would be negotiated) is that number.

The first $6M would count $6M against the salary cap … dollar-for-dollar.

Any excess would count Fifty-Percent against the cap.

Say a RB’s salary is $14M (picked at random).

The first $6M counts against the cap. The excess of $8M (14-6) counts just 50% against the cap. That is $4M (50% of 8). That would make for a $10M salary-cap-hit (6+4).

This is solely a salary-cap-manipulation. The owner writes a check for $14M; and the player receives $14M.

Signing Bonus, work-out-bonus and guaranteed-$ make the math more complicated but those amounts are not impacted by this 50% suggestion.

I am going to Regret posting this Thread.

On paper, the 49’ers look tough, real tough… Everywhere except QB.

As we know… In the 2021 NFL draft the 49’ers traded 3 first round picks to move up from #12 to #3 to select QB Trey Lance. To this point, Trey Lance appears a bust.

At the time, it was rumored they traded up for Mac Jones. Ultimately Mac Jones goes #15. Jones goes on to have a solid rookie year, earning a pro bowl appearance.

What if the 49’ers had taken Mac Jones?

How differently do they look right now as Super Bowl favorites?

How different would Mac Jones career look under Shanahan?

Christian McCaffrey, other running backs sound off on absence of RB extensions: 'Criminal'

The NFL's top running backs are showing solidarity in the face of a league that continues to devalue the position.

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Derrick Henry, Christian McCaffrey, Jonathan Taylor, Austin Ekeler sound off on absence of RB extensions: 'Criminal'​

Jason Owens
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Tue, Jul 18, 2023, 9:28 AM GMT+10·5 min read


"It sucks to be a running back," putting it very bluntly.


Saquon Barkley and Josh Jacobs will play this NFL season on the franchise tag. Or they won't.

Those are the only two options.

After the passage of a Monday deadline, neither is eligible to sign a long-term deal this offseason following months of failed negotiations. How they proceed is now up to them. Holding out for training camp, the start of the season or beyond is an option for both players. It's an option Le'Veon Bell maximized in 2018 under similar circumstances that marked the end of his tenure with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Neither has signed their franchise tender.

Dallas Cowboys running back Tony Pollard, meanwhile, has decided to sign his franchise tender and is expected to play this season without an extension.

For NFL running backs, the absence of extensions for two of the best at the position further signals a stark reality in a league that continues to devalue them and increasingly declines to make long-term investments in the position. Some of the league's best backs took notice of the news.


(R-L) Derrick Henry has Saquon Barkley's back. (AP Photo/Seth Wenig)

They also took notice of ESPN draft analyst Matt Miller, who tweeted about the perceived disposability of running backs amid Monday's news. They sounded off.
Tennessee Titans running back and two-time NFL rushing champion Derrick Henry had this to say:

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"At this point, just take the RB position out the game then," Henry wrote on Twitter. "The ones that want to be great & work as hard as they can to give their all to an organization, just seems like it don’t even matter. I’m with every RB that’s fighting to get what they deserve."

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Fortunately for Henry, he's not facing the same circumstances as Jacobs and Barkley. He's approaching the final year of a four-year, $50 million extension to his rookie contract and was awarded a $2 million pay bump last offseason. He got his big payday. But he'll be fighting for another one soon.

Three-time Pro Bowl and two-time All-Pro San Francisco 49ers running back Christian McCaffrey has also secured his payday as he approaches the second year of a four-year, $64 million contract. Like Henry, he stood in solidarity with his fellow running backs, calling the lack of long-term deals by Monday's deadline "criminal."

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"This is Criminal. Three of the best PLAYERS in the entire league, regardless of position," McCaffrey wrote of Barkley, Jacobs and Pollard.

Austin Ekeler is playing on considerably less lucrative 4-year, $24.5 million contract with the Los Angeles Chargers. He requested a trade this offseason in search of a new deal, but is remaining with the Chargers after negotiating an incentive boost. Like Henry, he pronounced his support for his fellow running backs while calling Miller's take on the position's disposability "trash."

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"This is the kind of trash that has artificially devalued one of the most important positions in the game," Ekeler wrote. "Everyone knows it’s tough to win without a top
RB and yet they act like we are discardable widgets. I support any RB doing whatever it takes to get his bag."

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Without a new deal of his own, Indianapolis Colts running back and 2021 NFL rushing champion Jonathan Taylor will be in a similar position as Jacobs and Barkley next offseason. He's approaching the final year of his four-year, $7.8 million rookie contract. He could very well face the prospect of playing the 2024 season under the franchise tag if he and the Colts don't come to terms.

He was among the first to respond to the news Monday that Jacobs and Barkley didn't get new deals. He was succinct in his response.

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Later, he saw the same tweet from Miller that prompted responses from Henry and Ekeler. He responded in kind.

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"1. If you’re good enough, they’ll find you," Taylor wrote.

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"2. If you work hard enough, you’ll succeed.

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…If you succeed…

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3. You boost the Organization

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…and then…

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Doesn’t matter, you’re a RB"

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NFL running backs are in a position like they've never been before. Now, they're showing solidarity. How Jacobs and Barkley approach the upcoming season without new deals will be of great interest to all involved parties.

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Franchise tag deadline: Predicting what happens​

The deadline for franchise-tagged players to reach long-term deals is Monday, July 17, at 4 p.m. ET. A total of three players -- down from four after Evan Engram and the Jaguars agreed to a new deal on Sunday -- are currently under the tag, and each have a different situation.

Washington Commodes defensive tackle Daron Payne and Baltimore Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson were able to find the lucrative extensions they were after. Will there be another player who secures the deal they are looking for before the deadline? Below, we will attempt to predict what happens with each of the remaining three players who are currently under the franchise tag.

RB Josh Jacobs, Las Vegas Raiders

Well, we certainly learned what the NFL thinks of the running back position this offseason. Dalvin Cook, the only player who has rushed for 1,100 yards while making the Pro Bowl in each of the last four seasons, was released. Austin Ekeler, who has scored more touchdowns than anyone over the last two years, did not get a contract extension and didn't find interest on the trade market. And then there's Josh Jacobs, who led the league in rushing last year yet was given the franchise tag.

Jacobs wants the money he's deserved after a career year, but I find myself wondering how much he wants his long-term NFL home to be in Vegas. Jacobs discussed potentially playing on the franchise tag in February, and said he would be OK with it if Vegas went out and acquired more help on offense. Instead of Aaron Rodgers, the Raiders brought in Jimmy Garoppolo -- and a not-healthy Jimmy Garoppolo at that. Josh McDaniels didn't have a great season as head coach, and Davante Adams openly admitted he doesn't see eye-to-eye with the front office. Running backs clearly don't have the ability to be picky, but could Jacobs be looking for a change of scenery?

My prediction is that the July 17 deadline comes and goes, and Jacobs ups the ante. He demands a trade. Now, that did not go well for Ekeler, but Jacobs is younger, having just turned 25 in February. It's tough to predict what Jacobs would go for if the Raiders agree to trade him. Maybe a conditional Day 3 pick? That sounds borderline ridiculous for the reigning rushing champion, but let's be real: are the Raiders champing at the bit to lock up Jacobs for multiple years at a high price? I'd keep an eye on the Miami Dolphins if they miss out on Cook.

RB Saquon Barkley, New York Giants

The Giants chose to extend quarterback Daniel Jones ahead of the franchise-tag deadline instead of Saquon Barkley. The former No. 2 overall pick is reportedly considering a Week 1 holdout, and has made it clear the franchise tag is "undesirable." Barkley is reportedly seeking more than $14 million per year on a new deal, which would make him the third highest-paid running back in the NFL. The Giants have offered up to $19.5 million guaranteed on a long-term deal with an undisclosed amount of years, according to the New York Post.

Barkley is a star, and the Giants value him. Ultimately, I think the holdout talk is posturing. The Giants have momentum going for them coming off of a season in which they made the playoffs for the first time since 2016, and won their first playoff game since Super Bowl XLVI. I predict the two sides will agree to terms on a multi-year deal before the deadline.

RB Tony Pollard, Dallas Cowboys

The Memphis product earned his first Pro Bowl nod after racking up 1,378 yards from scrimmage and 12 total touchdowns. Pollard averaged 5.2 yards per carry in 2022, which ranked third in the NFL among running backs. Something to note with Pollard is that he's the only one of these four players to have actually signed his franchise tag. There apparently is "no urgency" between Pollard and the Cowboys to strike that long-term deal, according to CBS Sports salary cap expert Joel Corry. This upcoming season, Pollard is going to be the Cowboys' No. 1 back for the first time, setting the stage for him to have another career year. While he suffered a pretty nasty ankle injury in the playoffs, Pollard is expected to be ready for the season.

TE Evan Engram, Jacksonville Jaguars: New deal reached

As noted above, Engram and the Jags came to terms Sunday on a reported three-year, $41.3 million contract. I have to say, I was a bit surprised Engram was slapped with the tag given there was optimism from both sides that they would be able to agree on a long-term deal. Engram had a career year in 2022, as he caught 73 passes for a career-high 766 yards and four touchdowns. Keep in mind that the tight end market is not exactly "popping" right now: Mike Gesicki and Dalton Schultz certainly did not get the deals they were looking for in free agency. But Engram apparently got what he was seeking.

Fighting in a phone booth....
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Now We Have Slap Fighting
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Human Cockfighting or a Sport?

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Sean McVay gives a key reason many teams don't like being on 'Hard Knocks'​

In a span of 5 years, the Los Angeles Rams appeared on HBO’s hit series “Hard Knocks” twice. They were on it in 2016 when they first moved to L.A. and again in 2020 with the Chargers, so they know what it’s like to have the cameras around at all times.

The Jets are HBO’s focus this year, which is perfect timing with this being Aaron Rodgers’ first season in New York. Rodgers doesn’t sound thrilled about the fact that his new team will be on “Hard Knocks” and he won’t be the last to voice his displeasure, either.

It’s understandable. Not only will fans have greater access to behind-the-scenes footage of the Jets, but so will their opponents and teams around the NFL. Sean McVay gave his take on why teams usually don’t like being on “Hard Knocks” and it largely has to do with not giving other teams an edge.

“I think the first thing is, when you play in a league that’s so competitive – 32 teams in the league – information is at a premium so you just want to be mindful of not having anything that gives anybody a competitive advantage,” he said at the Variety Sportico Summit. “You’re always looking for your edges and your margins and just the seamless thing of being able to pick up somebody on their cadence and some of the verbiage and vernacular that can maybe give the opposing team an advantage. So there’s some of those things.”

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McVay also believes that having the cameras around all the time can take away from the authenticity of some conversations that are had in the building and at practice, which is another fair point. Players and coaches may not completely be themselves when they know they’re being filmed.

“The thing that I always had the most difficult time with was, when you have a camera on, is it as authentic as it could be when you know someone’s listening? As opposed to being able to have that real, authentic, true interpersonal interaction. And so it does take away some of that stuff,” he added.

Fortunately for the Rams, they won’t be on the show this year, but they’ve certainly put in more than enough time on “Hard Knocks” over the last decade.

Rams sign TE Nikolai Kalenic. 6'5', 256lbs. What do we know about this guy?

Magic of Malavasi: The Rams Like Him

Nov. 12, 1978

Ray Malavasi is an exceptional coach for many reasons, the foremost being that his players like him. Generally, players tolerate their coaches in pro football, especially if the coaches are authoritarian. And those who may be benign get no respect.

“Ray's a nice guy.” says Fred Dryer, a seasoned defensive end. “He's happy with himself and he understands what's going on. He lets players be players.” Player popularity does not assure a coach of tenure, but in Malavasi's case it may be the key to what has been a locked door.

Malavasi, 48 years old, is the head coach of the Los Angeles Rams, a position burdened with unusual considerations. For example, the Rams play in the nation's most sprawling metropolitan area and the fan's attachment to the team is tenuous at best. Most follow the team—support would be the wrong word—by television rather than by attending the games.

Expectations are high, and they have not been met in years. Ram teams have been good most of the last decade, but they always have gone down in flames in the National Football League postseason playoffs, thus generating bitterness and cynicism.

A Typical Response

The owner, Carroll Rosenbloom, is in his 70's and expects his team to play in the Super Bowl now. Malavasi's response has been typically direct:

“Owners want their franchises in the Super Bowl. And that's what we're going to accomplish.”

That is what he said shortly before the present season, and the Rams won seven straight games.

They lost the next two, won last Sunday and face the Pittsburgh Steelers tonight at 9 at Los Angeles in an ABC national broadcast.

Malavasi has kept his talented team concentrating on the present in an environment of distractions. For years, outof‐town critics have suggested that the Rams never could win consistently or conclusively because they were so affected with the symbols and distractions of Hollywood.

California Diversions

That is geographic nonsense. The team actually “lives” at Blair Field in Long Beach, and most of the players reside in Orange County, far from Hollywood. However, in golden Southern California, there are a million ways to lose concentration on a game that 12year‐old boys also play. Malavasi has been successful so far, and there is little reason to suspect he cannot continue. His popularity helps.

Dryer says the players do not want to let him down, and most have more feeling for him than for Rosenbloom, the owner, or Don Klosterman, the general manager.

Malavasi seemed to be one of those people who would be an assistant coach forever, repeatedly overlooked by own- ers and general managers seeking someone who had more flash, like George Allen. Rosenbloom and Klosterman had passed over him, and they went to him only in desperation last August when it became apparent that Allen, the new head coach, was driving everyone, including the players, up the wall.

Malavasi was ready when the anointment came on Aug. 14. The Rams had just lost the second of two preseason games, and Allen's assistants, most of whom he had brought with him from Washington, were looking at game films that morning.

How He Found Out

They held a meeting, and Allen asked each coach how his players were progressing. Then Allen said that he knew the Rams were going to have a successful year, and he wished everyone the best of luck.

“Half of us didn't know what he was talking about,” Malavasi recalled. “He got up and walked out and about the same time they sent for me to be interviewed by Rosenbloom and Klosterman. I had been interviewed by them three times before. But it was a shock to me. I didn't want to get a job under those circumstances. But I had no control over that.”

Malavasi quickly made small but significant changes. He restored the defensive systems and terminology to what they had been during the previous five years when he was in charge of the Ram defense. That settled down such volatile players as Isiah Robertson, who had from the start resisted Allen's new systems.

Allen had put Malavasi in charge of the Ram offense last summer. “That area was pretty good,” the coach recalled, “except I put in some things I wanted to do myself.” These things were an opening up of the offense away from the arch‐conservative style of Allen and his predecessor, Chuck Knox. Malavasi believed in the passing ability of the quarterback, Pat Haden, and this paid off in the third game when the Rams trounced the Super Bowl champion Dallas Cowboys. The new coach was a hero, for the moment.

A Long Career

Malavasi had been an assistant coach for a quarter‐century and a head coach only once, on an interim basis for part of a season at Denver 12 years before.

He had grown up poor in Clifton, N.J. A star player in high school, he caught the eye of Col. Earl (Red) Blaik's aggressive recruiters from the United States Military Academy, and he went to West Point for a free education.

He was a roly‐poly guard somewhat like Vince Lombardi, who then was Blaik's line coach. Glenn Davis and Doc Blanchard helped coach Malayasi's plebe team.

Army was about to field one of the greatest college teams, with Malavasi starting at guard and Blaik's son, Bob, at quarterback, when disaster struck in the summer of 1951. Ninety‐one cadets, including almost all of Blaik's football squad were dismissed from the Academy for violating the honor code.

On to Mississippi State

The same examinaton in an engineering course was given in two sessions, and several of Blaik's recruits, finding the subject difficult, took the proffered help from teammates who had done the exam first. Malavasi was a giver rather than a taker.

He went to Mississippi State, where a former Blaik coach, Murray Warmath, was in charge. Of the dismissed cadets, Gene Filipski wound up on the Giants’ team that won the National Football League championship in 1956 and Al Pollard with the Eagles. Al Conway is now an N.F.L. official.

Last winter, Malavasi went to an Army football reunion and dinner honoring Blaik in Palm Springs, Calif., and knows about many of his former teammates.

“They've all done well,” he said. “We've got presidents and vice presidents by the bucket load.”

Malavasi, commissioned as an army officer after college, was a playercoach at Fort Belvoir in Virginia. Later, he was too small to make it with the Philadelphia Eagles, who had drafted him, so he stayed in coaching as an assistant with Warmath at Minnesota, then at Memphis State and Wake Forest.

Jack Faulkner, a close friend currently on the Ram staff, brought him to Denver to help with the Broncos in 1962. Malavasi stayed for four years, the last one as head coach, succeeding Mac Speedie, who in turn had succeeded Faulkner.

Next, Malavasi went to the Canadian Football League for a year with the Hamilton Tiger‐Cats, then to the Buffalo Bills for two seasons and the Oakland Raiders for two more. When Knox took charge of the Rams in 1973, Malavasi joined his staff despite resistance from Al Davis, who ran the Raiders.

Ray and his wife, Mary, have moved 22 times. How has that gone with Mary?

“It's been all right,” Malavasi replied. “She likes football. She has been good about it.” They have five children, ranging in age from 14 to 21 years.-

Malavasi has retained his sense of humor. Rosenbloom and Klosterman have undergone heart bypass surgery in ..recent years, as Malavasi did two years ago. Although terrified of the surgery, a quadruple coronary bypass, he later dismissed it as nothing.

“I was just trying to get ahead in the Ram organization,” he said.

Perhaps the simple, truthful style is why his players like him. He is not conning them or fooling them. He easily places himself at their level. As Dryer said:

“He doesn't insult us by overcoaching. He respects our intelligence.”

[www.nytimes.com]

I thought of this thread when considering a different question on twitter, asking about the best movie ever. I ran through my mind of the many movies I have seen, when I thought of The Planet of the Apes. Although it as a great movie, I don't consider it the best, I do think the shocking reveal at the end really got to me more than any movie I can think of.... (The Statue of Liberty Reveal) I think why this scene shocked me so much was due to my young age AND that I had totally bought in to the idea that Charleton Heston's character had landed on an alien planet, inhabited by simians.

What movie reveal shocked you?

Not too bad...originally projected as two 6th's & two 7th's. Now four 6th's.

That has to get Les all fired up.

Been seeing best of each position for Rams kind of posts lately.

But how about a list of worst players at each position.
Rule that had to start at least 4 games at that position. (Or greater maybe?)