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Getting to 4-4

I almost put this hypothetical topic up before the Pittsburgh game…

Most around here thought we’d beat Pittsburgh, but knew Dallas would be tougher and our collective psyche sort of mentally braced to be 4-4 after the Dallas game.

What if that is flipped and we beat Dallas to reach 4-4?

Do we have more momentum heading into Green Bay coming off a Dallas win instead of a Dallas loss?

Maybe so? Let’s go beat Dallas.

Rams seem to be susceptible to “counterpunching.” Why?

Looking at Rams', and their opponents', scoring by quarter, I noticed a trend:

First Quarter: Rams 37, Opponents 20 (+17)
Second Quarter: Rams42, Opponents 45 (-3)
Third Quarter: Rams 34, Opponents 38 (+6)
Fourth Quarter: Rams 36, Opponents 48 (-12)

So why does it seem that the Rams are starting halves fairly well, then being hit by "counterpunches" in the second and fourth quarters?

Are our opponents making better adjustments?
Is the defense wearing down toward the end of each half?
Insufficient data/anomaly?

What is your theory?

The trade deadline gamble!

The Rams are 3-4 major upgrades away but we can make the playoffs with a couple nice acquisitions.

I would immediately go after Trent Brown PFFs highest rated LT this year. He is a FA and most likely not resigning with NE. Sure AJ Jackson is ok but he is not 6'8" tall and 380 lbs he becomes our Whit for the next 4 years. Won't cost much like a 5th I've heard since they have no leverage. This immediately helps the run game on the left side and gives Stafford a solid blindsided protector. #1 big upgrade.

Next I would go back after Burns they will have to franchise to keep him he will be seriously an unhappy camper if that happens.

But separate of him I love Denielle Hunter only 28 and leading the leagues in sacks with 9 and is a FA. Unfortunately Minny has done well of late so I'm not sure about him but will cost way less than Burns.

Then there is Bonito in Denver, Young or Sweat in Wash. or a cheap get Lawson from NY. #2 Big upgrade

To wait to the FA market is fine and saves draft picks but then we are competing with more teams.

Both would need to be signed long term.

In the short term we may help solve some of our biggest needs and at least we get the pieces we exactly need for the future.

Henderson Status

Is this just an administrative move for the week? Need to know if I should hold Henderson for fantasy or pick up Freeman.

by RotoWire Staff
(October 23, 2023 7:20 PM ET) Henderson reverted to the Rams' practice squad Monday, per the NFL's transaction log.
In less than one week, Henderson returned to the Rams via a practice-squad contract last Tuesday, was elevated to the active roster Saturday and started at running back for the team Sunday against the Steelers. He then paced L.A. running backs in snaps (39 of 68) and touches (19) en route to 66 yards from scrimmage and a rushing TD in Week 7. Henderson appears to be the biggest beneficiary of both Kyren Williams (ankle) and Ronnie Rivers (knee) landing on injured reserve last week, but Royce Freeman (12 carries for 66 yards on 29 snaps) also figures to be involved, and coach Sean McVay told Greg Beacham of the Associated Press on Monday that "we'll see how Myles [Gaskin] and Zach [Evans] fit into that equation" this coming Sunday at Dallas.

Rams working out kickers Wednesday, including Mason Crosby

After cutting Brett Maher on Tuesday, the Los Angeles Rams signed Lucas Havrisik off the Cleveland Browns’ practice squad. However, they’re not done exploring their options at kicker.

According to Mike Garafolo of NFL Network, the Rams are working out a group of kickers on Wednesday, which includes veteran Mason Crosby. It’s unlikely the Rams will sign a second kicker to their active roster, but adding one to the practice squad is certainly an option and potentially the route they’ll go.

It’s unclear which other kickers are working out for the Rams on Wednesday, or how many will be giving it a shot, but it’s good to see the team exploring other candidates.




Maher went just 17-for-23 on field goals this season, missing two on Sunday alone – as well as an extra point attempt just before halftime. Havrisik has never kicked in a regular-season game and was just 34-for-53 in college, so he’s not the most experienced or accurate kicker, either.

The Rams let Matt Gay walk in free agency this offseason and while he’s been a stud in Indianapolis, Sean McVay and Les Snead are still searching for a replacement.

Anyone else on here tired of the way these officials are influencing the outcome of games.

College and the NFL. Take the Alabama vs Tennessee game for example you will never convince me that the fix wasn't in. The Rams game Sunday with those BS calls that were so obviously done to influence the outcome of that game. Take the ball placement on the 4th and one which everyone other than those crooked officials knew was enough for a first down. It is beginning to look more and more like these guys are trying to affect the outcomes of certain games for reasons unknown to me. Who knows if they are truly above-board finding ways to fix games for a payday. I for one don't trust them anymore, it is just too obvious there is no way they can simply be this bad.

Saying the quiet part out loud…

I have to say, this past Sunday's loss was a bit of a gut punch.

The Rams had every opportunity to win and go to 4-3, which would have placed them in the heart of the playoff chase. Instead, they dip below .500 after a second blown chance to get a win (the other being against the Bengals). Its left many of us with doubts as to whether this team - which clearly has some young talent - is ready to consistently win.

So where does that leave us with 10 games to go.

I, for one, am still holding out hope. I see a schedule ahead of us with many winnable games, and I can still see a path to the postseason.

But, let's be honest... that's about all we can realistically aspire to at this point. I don't think there is anyone here who sees this team competing for a title this year.

So, here's the question... while we will all pull for the Rams to win each and every week, at some point is it okay to see a benefit in falling a bit short? Is a one and done playoff run better than an early offseason and higher draft picks? Would success in reaching the postseason have the unwanted side effect of masking issues that will need to be addressed in 2024?

Again, I don't have it in my fan-DNA to advocate for "tanking" of any sort. Still, if this team continues to let their chances slip away and falls out of the playoff hunt, I confess that I might start looking for silver linings.

That day may come…
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Do You Guys Think Shanahan Goes After Cousins This Offseason?

Even with Purdy on the roster? Of course they would have to NOT win the Super Bowl this year for this to be even a question. Shanny has had a stiffy for Kirk for a LONG TIME now. Even going so far as to offer up the 2nd overall pick to Washington for him way back in 2017. Also, I can still see the Vikings and Cousins agreeing before he hits UFA. One thing is certain, Kirk Cousins is about to get paid....a-gain!

Watch this. Not just about this game, but all NFL games at risk.

Wait for Mark Zinno to give his view at about 30 seconds in.

It's like I'm talking into a mirror. This is so true, yet so depressing about the state of the NFL.

The Rams, as a 1980s Network Television Lineup

7:00 Growing Pains
The roster is filled with emerging young stars, but are they ready to win?

7:30 Who’s the Boss?
As troubles mount, fans wonder if Sean McVay’s message is still resonating with players.

8:00 Full House
The running back room is crowded, but is the right guy for the future on the roster?

8:30 Three’s Company
The trio of Cooper Kupp, Puka Nacua and Tutu Atwell coexist, but can they dominate?

9:00 The Facts of Life
Aaron Donald still leads the defense, but looming is his possibly imminent retirement.

9:30 Too Close for Comfort
Fans are stressed as nearly every game goes down to the wire.

10:00 L.A. Law
Derion Kendrick finds himself in another pickle.

AI Comes to the NFL

AI Comes to the NFL​

I might have seen the future of football on TV Thursday night, with an assist from Artificial Intelligence, Andrew Luck’s former center at Stanford, and a team of Amazon techies based in Tel Aviv.

That is not a misprint.

One of the reasons the NFL was so eager to get a new and aggressive streaming partner in 2022 was on display in the Jacksonville-New Orleans game on Amazon Prime Video Thursday. Let me tell you what I saw on one of Amazon’s three streaming options for its games, Prime Vision with Next Gen Stats. On the Prime Vision feed, Amazon shows the all-22 camera angle, able to see the whole field; the tradeoff, of course, is that you don’t see the quarterback, large, in the center of the TV. You see everything, with no one bigger than anyone else—while hearing Al Michaels and Kirk Herbstreit call the game the same as on the regular streaming ‘cast.

With 5:26 left in the first quarter, the Saints had a third-and-seven at the Jaguars’ 32-yard line. Jacksonville cornerback Tre Herndon jogged to a spot two yards across from the left slot, in coverage on receiver Michael Thomas. On the all-22 view, Herndon leaned forward as quarterback Derek Carr began his cadence. Just then, a red circle was superimposed around Herndon—and on the other side of the formation, red also encircled linebacker Devin Lloyd—with black circles superimposed around the four Saints wide receivers plus running back Alvin Kamara.

The red circle was Amazon’s way of foreshadowing what AI told them from whipping through hundreds of factors—including anticipatory tics that could be gleaned from the two movement trackers in Herndon’s left and right shoulder pad—in split seconds: Prime Vision was predicting Herndon and Lloyd would blitz. Quite a leap of faith in the Herndon forecast. In the first six games of the season, Herndon, per Next Gen Stats, had blitzed only 12 times.

Carr took his time on the cadence. The red circle was around Herndon for two, three, four, five, six seconds, and the six-year vet corner showed nothing. Carr certainly could get no clue from the possible blitzer on his left. Finally, 8.31 seconds after the encircling of Herndon appeared on the all-22, Carr snapped the ball. Herndon streaked at Carr. Lloyd came, too, but was caught in traffic. No one touched the blitzing Herndon. Just as Carr was releasing the ball, Herndon, unseen, slammed into Carr and the football bounded harmlessly away. Incomplete.

Here’s the really amazing part of this: A soybean farmer in Iowa, were he a football nerd once his day job was done, could have been watching this Prime Vision view of the game just like me. And the soybean farmer would know more about the likelihood of Tre Herndon blitzing than Saints coach Dennis Allen or his offensive play-designer, Pete Carmichael, standing 20 yards away from him. Because the live feed you and I can see is banned on the sidelines and coaches’ box upstairs (more about the pitfalls of that later), people from the Everglades to the Cascades can see a blitz coming better than the teams on the field can.

It’s sort of revolutionary. Viewers should love this. The NFL must love the fun of it today. But Artificial Intelligence strikes fear into those who think it might go too far. The competitive guardrails on this, for the NFL, had better be sturdy.

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Amazon had the idea when it got the NFL contract in 2021 of an alternate telecast heavy on analytics. Some of the elements, like tagging skill players pre-snap, started last year. But the biggest element, predicting blitzing, debuted 11 days ago in the Denver-Kansas City game. I heard about it in a smart story in The Athletic by Ted Nguyen. The brainchild behind the idea, Sam Schwartzstein, told me he began working on it in “late April or May” with Amazon AI experts, a machine-learning team based in Tel Aviv.

Keep in mind Amazon’s not CBS or ESPN, with virtually all the idea people solely based in the U.S. Amazon’s based in Seattle, but has campuses in more than 50 countries, including Israel. Schwartzstein has been a leader at Amazon in getting some people unfamiliar with American football, very familiar in a short time. Just who is Schwartzstein? He started 13 games at center for Stanford in Andrew Luck’s last season, 2011, and they became fast friends and smart forecasters of defensive tendencies. There is so much that’s ironic about Schwartzstein’s role in introducing new technology to the Thursday night games, but how about this nugget: He has assembled a crew of smart former players as advisers to Amazon’s Prime Vision with Next Gen Stats—including Luck. Schwartzstein meets with him on Monday nights to talk Amazon football business.

“We are in a unique spot as a sports broadcaster that is a tech company first,” Schwartzstein told me Friday night. We spoke for 30 minutes; the conversation will air in The Peter King Podcast dropping late Tuesday.

“So,” Schwartzstein said, “we looked at all these different ideas of what we could do. The first one came to mind is how do we identify the players who are going to blitz … take you into the mindset of what I used to do when I played center in college … There weren’t a lot of things that we could do to help people to watch defense in a unique way. But then talking with our science team, they said, I think we can do this with machine learning and AI. We went through the process to be able to identify using machine learning where we don’t have a readout of the rules or the specific reasons why someone’s being highlighted as a potential blitzer. But we know that’s it’s being ingested from thousands of plays that are then creating that identification tag of ‘this player is likely going to blitz.’ You can never be 100 percent right; we’re just giving you an idea of looking at the defense the same way the quarterback is.”

Two Amazon coordinating producers for the Thursday games, Alex Strand and Betsy Riley, went to Tel Aviv last spring to meet with the AI team, and to begin explaining football to the non-fans there. They ended up building the software and the model that ID’s which players on every play were likely to blitz, using pieces of physical, statistic and analytical information. Schwartzstein lives in the Bay Area. Tel Aviv is 10 hours ahead. So if he’d wake up at 7 a.m. in California, on some days he’d be tutoring the Tel Aviv team in the late afternoon and evening on Football 101.

“We probably had 15 different ideas,” Schwartzstein said. “I can’t give you the exact number that have gone to production, but a lot have gone to the wayside that we’ve tried to accomplish and pushed off for later times. We have the ability to continue ideating with them and talking with them about different ways we can help expose new things to our fan bases. What I really like is we’re not afraid of the big hairy audacious goals. We are looking to try and do things that people said that you can’t do.”

The goal this year was predictive blitzing. Amazon trusted the red-circling so much that Schwartzstein and the game producers of Prime Vision just let it go when the game starts. “I can’t turn it on and off,” he said.

The factors. That’s what I wonder about. Think of the scores of known football factors as a quarterback comes to the line, and then add the minutiae of what Next Gen Stats knows, and then add what can be read from the movement trackers in every shoulder pad. The amount of information that can be processed and interpreted by AI in seconds is, of course, mind-boggling. “It knows the alignment of every player on the field, offense and defense,” Schwartzstein said. “And then there’s expectations of all the plays where players have blitzed from. It’s taking that bevy of information to make a prediction. I can tell you … that it’s seen so many different plays and so many different scenarios that it’s intelligently highlighting unique players.”

Like Herndon, with 5:26 left in the first quarter Thursday night. AI figured he was blitzing. The Saints either didn’t or blew an assignment, and let him rush, and it cost them a third-down conversion in opposing territory in a game they lost by a touchdown. Sort of a big deal.

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“This is the tip of the iceberg,” said Schwartzstein, and he’s right. What I saw Thursday night will make me come back for more, to see the game in a different way than I ever have. The potential for more cool innovations for home viewers is there. It’s fun. It’s smart. It’s great.

But the potential for mayhem is too, because AI may know more than an offensive coordinator about what a defender like Tre Herndon is likely to do on a given play.

We can all think of the dangers for this totally new tool. When I asked Amazon about the delay from live game to being able to see the Prime Vision feed, a spokesperson emailed: “The vast majority of Prime Video’s TNF streams travel from the stadium to the screen in 10 seconds or less. This delay matches and is often less than what viewers receive from live games on broadcast and cable. Prime Vision’s technology adds a minimal amount on top of that, usually three seconds or less.”

The exact time of delay depends whether you’re watching the stream on home internet, Xbox, Apple TV, your phone, or other devices. Understand two things here. Encircling a defender in red isn’t a guarantee that he will blitz; it’s simple saying the AI program suggests he’s likely to blitz. But in this case, Herndon was circled for 8.31 seconds, which is an eternity before the ball is snapped. (To be fair, most red circles are evident for less time.) My concern is, Amazon’s delay has to be enough time so that some person in some stadium won’t be able somehow to alert a team with information that could be an advantage competitively. It appears to be long enough, but that must be policed.

“No one’s using it for nefarious reasons,” Schwartzstein said.

The NFL’s got to be sure it has multiple layers in place to ensure no one does.

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