Why does everyone praise Andrew Luck so much. For a guy who was supposed to be the second coming of Peyton Manning he hasn't done shit except for a good 3rd year. Yes his stats are pretty decent but he gets behind early and then throws three touchdowns in garbage time. They were 8-8 last year. Big whoop.

Faith in Warner? Protection for Bulger? IMHO, the only thing that would have changed that chart is if Rams management had given Martz a real NFL GM. But that's water under the bridge. We've been looking for that "next winning season" since Martz was fired.

Here's another question, in need of a chart. How many years since each team's last Superbowl win? Where do the Rams rank there? We'd be 11th lowest on that list.

My question is who won the million dollar guess our schedule sweepstakes?

Jeff Lacz said:

Looking at the schedule we have no cold weather games this season. This is good news!

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And since the Rams will gain home-field advantage throughout the playoffs, no cold weather games at all!!!

Whitworth only practices ONCE a week as that was his schedule even last season. I would expect Whitworth to be even closer than Kromer to try and salvage Grob. GRob will think that he has a new white brother by the time this season is over. Roommates also and we as THE RAMS can say we gave everything we had to salvage our #2 overall draft pick. Whitworth will be as much an assistant offensive line coach as we have. This should be a group on the same page after last seasons nightmare year. I just pray injuries are scarce to minor to non-existant this season making holes and protecting GOFF.

dieterbrock said:

I guess we'll have to wait on Torry Holt....

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Beat me to it.

Love Excel but going to have to look at it on something besides my phone. Looking forward to checking it out.

Clowney's knee isn't going to hold up. No way would I sign him to a long term contract.

Fuck yah

RAMBUSH said:

I guess I don't have anything to base this on .. I justill think the man has all the tools to be a solid starter in this league ... he is huge and strong , we will see if new coaching will help .

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You can't fix stupid.

Whoops. .forgot about the Giants

The Cowboys open up against the Giants, which will now be 5 out of the last 6 seasons. It's beyond tired.

Fatbot said:

I imagine this was intended as a rhetorical question, but my opinion is yes he would likely be a JAG now due to how much his circumstances made his success and how much those circumstances have changed.

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This is 100% wrong. Jerry Rice put up 1211 yards in 2002 at 40 years old. You're nuts if you're trying to claim he would be a JAG in today's NFL. Athletes haven't changed since 2002. There are still guys playing in the NFL who were around in 2002 (Tom Brady, for example).

It's always hard to translate players from the past into today's circumstances. Maybe could make better guesses with Fifi, since he played more recently, than wondering how other past greats like Don Hutson, Tom Fears, Crazy Legs Hirsch, Henry Ellard, etc., would fare, but still the speed of defenses has changed incredibly just in the past few years that it's hard to say definitively, even with a player that retired just a decade or even five years ago.

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No, it's not. It's hard to say that with a player who retired 50 years ago. It's not hard to say that with a player who played during the 90s and/or 2000s.

The defensive personnel on rosters is smaller & faster, and the on field scheme has changed from the 4 DBs Rice mostly faced to the norm of 5, 6 or 7 of today. Today's "LBs" have zero relation to a 1980s LB, they would have been strong safeties. This is a huge difference because the square footage of field turf 4 DBs have to account for is exponentially more than when you have 6, and a lightning fast LB filling the slant lane is far different than a plodding LB built to take on hogs and stuff the run.

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Yet, rule changes have made it more difficult for DBs to cover WRs and easier for QBs to complete passes.

When the old 49er scheme was a new gimmick it could exploit those gaps in the secondary, and Rice got that benefit that no other WR was getting. Today, every offense runs versions of those old west coast schemes, so Rice would be doing something every WR is doing now instead of having the benefit of that uniqueness.

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Rice didn't benefit from uniqueness. Rice benefited from being better than every player he lined up against. He was still producing 1000+ yard seasons in Oakland under Jon Gruden at 39 and 40 years old. He was producing record breaking seasons in the mid 90s in his early 30s. At that point, the WCO had been in San Francisco for well over a decade. It was neither new nor unique.

Rice benefited from the same things that make Antonio Brown dominant today.

Thanks to constant rules changes favoring the offense it's taken defenses longer and longer to try to catch up and adjust -- and in fact they still have no good answer to the short pass -- but obviously defenses have transitioned from a mentality of trying to contest every catch to allowing short, harmless completions -- indeed, inviting them.

A quick glance at total league-wide yards after catch (YAC) shows that it's trending down the last 3 years -- which is insane considering that we are witnessing historically best completion percentages. You'd think just by the avalanche of short passes the total would be going up, up, up. But defenses are clearly giving up on trying to prevent short completions or even make interceptions (also at a low point) -- they would rather allow a catch short of the sticks and use exceptional speed to snuff out any YAC.

In other words, defenses are finally built to be exactly what would have been a terrible matchup for the 1980s 49ers. It would be interesting to go back in time and put a smaller, faster, more DB heavy personnel with the philosophy to stop the YAC up against Rice's 49er teams and see the effect. But sadly it never happened because defenses had to be built to try to stop Tony Dorsett, Eric Dickerson, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders and some of the greatest RBs (and offensive lines) to ever play instead.

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None of this would affect how effective Rice would be today. Rice dominated at every depth of the field. And not contesting short passes plays right into the hands of the philosophy behind a WCO.

Anyway, most won't consider any opinion short of Rice being great, end of discussion, and that's fine -- but to me the answer comes down to how much one believes Rice's success was a product of his environment versus his talent, and I tend to think environment was a bigger factor than most are willing to admit, and that environment has changed in today's game.

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The environment in today's game is more conducive to success for WRs like Rice, Terrell Owens, Torry Holt, Marvin Harrison, Isaac Bruce, etc. than ever. Defenses are handcuffed by rules favoring offenses. Offensive schemes have evolved to become better and better at creating efficient and productive passing attacks. Passing offenses have never been more effective. You're nuts to think that would slow down guys who dominated doing the same things that WRs do today.

Rice wasn't a product of his environment. Rice was the best to ever play his position..

DaveFan'51 said:

Well, we both know your week#1 choice is wrong! and I told you why on another thread!

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I'm out already?

I'd rather they say what if the Rams had drafted Suh over Bradford and named Fitzpatrick the starter? We could have taken McCoy in the 2nd as well. This makes a little more sense to me as the Rams were considering between Bradford and Suh.

T-REX liking the way the mock draft went:
Stuff.

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Thank you for the kind words but it was a team effort. What I did was nothing compared to the collective efforts of all our GMs. Their (and your) professionalism, for want of a better word, was responsible for making this more than just a way to pass the time. I don't think any of the real GMs would be unhappy with the way this draft went for their teams. Great job by all of you!

I'm a philly area Rams fan!!!
I try to go to any games in NY/Baltimore/Philly/Pittsburgh

So if I want to buy just 2 tickets for a home game I have to make a 100$ deposit next week? Keep pricing out the average Joe. :redcard: I'll be staying home watching on my big screen in HD, eating rib-eye off the grill and drinking top notch German micro-brew, and keep my 1200$ that it would cost me for 2 nose bleed seats, 2 Buds and 2 over cooked hot dogs.:rolllaugh:
I know I'll miss that "live" experience at the Colesium. Beer spilled down my back, drunks cussing and fighting in the isles,:boxing: missing a whole qtr. going to the head and back, standing in a puddle of pukeuke: and pizz to take a leak. :rant:

Not to worry, they will undoubtedly sell out every home game.ball:

BonifayRam said:

2(#37)-OL-Forrest Lamp
3(#69)-WR-Cooperr Kupp
4(#112)-TE-Jake Butt
4(#141)-WR-Mark Hollins
5(#149)-CB-Ahkello Witherpoon

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give me a CB for Kupp, and I'll take it!:yess:

What's not to like about Mo? He's gotten better every year he 's played, hits hard, causes fumbles, get int's. Mo has yet to reach his potential.

BeefJurky said:

I didn't know they were that slow.
Makes me feel like Williams, Davis and Kupp might be better prospects than I've been giving them credit for.

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I don't think that Corey Davis should be in that group. He's a 4.45 to 4.50 type guy when healthy.

lockdnram21 said:

To be fair Kennan Allen was hurt

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Keenan Allen was called slow throughout the process. His 40 times only confirmed that. Let's not misrepresent the issue. Allen felt healthy enough to run. He wasn't ever going to run a fast 40. His game now doesn't revolve around speed. It's all about skill, quickness, hands, and mental acuity.

Warner4Prez said:

In the end I think moving down worked best for plugging the holes it looks like the Titans have. From what I was reading, their fans are most concerned with secondary, TE and depth on the lines.

I wish I could have done more with the CB position, so in that respect I miss not sitting and grabbing Conley, but with how the extra picks fell I think Cunningham + Butt and the DT Johnson make up for it.

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Extra picks are nice. Will be interesting to revisit after we see their draft picks. Thanks

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Good luck to them . Glad it's not the rams . Well, not really good luck to them.. I'm a rams fan. Go Rams !!!

I haven't been on in a while, but had to see what everyone thought about the former Pat in horns. Well well well! I thought I was the only one super excited about the Rams this year. All we want is hope. If we also get results, the franchise and fan base will explode. I saw it in AZ just before Warner nearly took them to the promised land. Our "changing of the guard" is happening right before our eyes. Hopefully there will be an NFL film we can all watch 20 years from now that features these moments, right now, when a kid coach pulls a rabbit out of his hat and turns this franchise around.

Does anyone have one of these that they use for streaming? My son has one and he wants to hook me up with one. He loves his, and recommends it.