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This draft rests on Rapp and Henderson

According to Pat Kirwan on the NFL radio coverage he played RB and some TE. Pat also went on about how he beat a lot of blockers during Senior Bowl week practice. Miller went on about his benchmark number from his workouts being 70 which is explosive for a big guy.

If you want to argue that he should have X number of snaps as either, well that's too much in the grass for me and not worth arguing over. Point is that old saying (who I attribute to Kirwan some years back) that he was told in the 3-4 the ideal nose is a beefed up short athlete with some strength/anchor to him is a saying that fits our new NT. Which is kinda cool.

OK, I was clarifying what he did in high school. Maybe you're talking about what they may have tried at Univ of Washington. I don't know if he played offense there. I got a chance to see him play a couple of times as a senior in high school. He went to my alma mater, which is about 25 miles east of LA.

Analysis of picks--based on FILM (not what others wrote)

….he's much thicker than Trung as Henderson did 22 reps of 225lbs, which is very good for a running back and he breaks more tackles. Overall when you watch him at the combine, he looks bigger and his first 40 time was 4.53 his second 4.37 so the speed is there.

I like the description, he's fast but he also goes 0-60 immediately. The competition was slower but 4.37 40? There ain't many guys faster than that.

Okay, does everybody feel good about Edge or ILB?

I think Les bought time with the edge rush plain and simple. Pieces are there for an average range amount of pressure in front of a very good secondary. It should work. But going forward edge is still a need for us up until a guy or two show big improvement.

ILB it seems like they're going to let Wade develop someone by ensuring he's got enough options. Still think we're weak there tbh. But every team has an area or two of weakness, even the contenders. He is an elite DC though fortunately so he's very good at masking those weaknesses and I think that's where the safety position should factor in heavily, looking forward to seeing how he approaches it.

IMO our defense should look pretty stout vs the run this year. I think it's a priority, that they know they have to do it, and it will start from camp on. The new NT helps, Matthews helps, Weddle helps, Littleton's continued development helps, and so on. With a veteran defense it's really important that they focus on stuffing the run and that starts from camp and in how they wear pads and work it; it's not realistic to think they're going to turn it on and off like a switch.

Blue and yellow uniforms in 2020 . Not necessarily

I like the gold. :hiding:

So sue me!

Yeah me too, think metallic gold would look nice as primary color on numbers/horns or even just as a tastefully done trim. Not the baby $#!T brown, but metallic gold on the navy blue helmets & jerseys. Simplistic design with clean look is what I prefer but I am prepared to adjust to whatever they go with... Within reason lol.

But I just don't trust Nike. IMO teams need to keep those idiots in check and some of them don't. Waiting for Nike to release our new look with these pants:

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Poll: Your favorite Rams pick today was....?

Not sure I follow the logic here. Are you saying you prefer college players who don't put up amazing numbers?

One thing they will need to coach up Henderson on is switching the ball to his sideline arm/hand. He carried the rock with his left hand in every clip I have seen of him. Thats an easy fix and I expect that dude to terrorize defenses as a change of pace to TG.
What I'm saying is that some stats are too good to be true. I just took some time to look through the FBS record book. There are some recognizable names like Barry Sanders, Ricky Williams, Adrian Peterson, and even Marshall Faulk a couple of times. But right next to their names are time of nobodies.

I'm not saying I don't want players that have great stats, I'm just saying that sometimes it's too much. I think we all know he's not going to average 8.9 yards per carry in his NFL career. The question is how far it will fall. Just to pick out one of many, Colt Brennan had the highest career completion percentage for the FBS, but who the hell is that guy? I remember hearing about him when he came out, but it's not like he led anyone to the playoffs recently.

8.9 is just so high I think it will be similar. Some weird confluence of circumstances led to that huge number and he's really just an average RB who hit the college stats lottery.

S/ILB and other draft thoughts

The Rams have zero depth at OL.
I mean guys you would feel comfortable saying "start the next six games" because of injury.
OT seems to be a position with a pretty steep learning curve.
Assuming 8 lineman dress for games either Neary or Demby for depth at G and Evans a T. May end up have to dress both T's if one can only handle one side.
Blythe (I assume) would be the 2 C and not Neary.
Maybe some UFA or a cheap pre camp FA is added to the mix.
Gaines was my favorite pick of the draft.
Seems to fit Wade's system very well and I would expect him to get a fair number of snaps early.

Agreed. We drafted 4 or 5 OL in one draft. How many are here now? Even though some showed promise

I like the picks, but we will sign a veteran swing tackle or guard before the start of season. We need at least one reliable back up. So, with that in mind we might have to put Evans on the PS or have 9 or more on the active roster... nothing is set yet, not even close

How has the NFC West made out so far?

RE: offensive lineman

Interesting that Seattle only drafted one offensive lineman, and it was in the 4th.

Both San Francisco and Arizona each waited until the 6th to draft one. SF took 1, AZ drafted 2.
That to me was the real surprising thing. SF was just ok on the line but bad IMO at Guard. Seattle saw a resurgence from their line certainly but 3 or 4 of their starters become free agents in the next year or two. Arizona had the worst OLine in the league but also probably the most injured. They must be hoping for a return to health and a scheme change to boost them.

Top 10 NFL Draft Surprises

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...alfs-fall-to-jaguars-head-scratcher-and-more/

Top 10 NFL Draft surprises, from Raiders' shocker at No. 4 to Metcalf's fall to Jaguars' head-scratcher and more
There were plenty of shocking moments in the 2019 NFL Draft, and here are 10 of the biggest

We know year after year that we're going to see plenty of surprises in the NFL Draft. In a league where player valuation varies wildly from team to team, it's only natural to see many things that break from the agreed-upon consensus. That's why we have to remember that even though this is an article about the biggest surprises in this year's draft, it doesn't necessarily mean these teams were wrong to make these decisions. It just caught me (and probably you) off-guard.

So let's dive into all the 10 things from all three days that we definitely weren't expecting, in chronological order.

1. Raiders' top secret pick: Clelin Ferrell at No. 4
It was well known how secretive the Raiders were being with their draft board, and when word emerged on Thursday that their first pick would be a surprise, it was easy to connect the dots to them taking a quarterback despite having a solid starter already in tow. And they did in fact surprise -- not with the position they chose to focus on, but with the guy they picked.

That's not to knock Clelin Ferrell, who for whatever reason wasn't getting some of the buzz of other top edge prospects like Brian Burns and Montez Sweat. That lack of excitement building around Ferrell caused him to slide down many mock drafts, with some even projecting he'd go in the 20s.

Now, that's not an indictment on him as a prospect; I think he has a higher floor than the guys listed earlier, so it makes sense that the Raiders would want to get the guy with the least bust potential at No. 4. But passing on Josh Allen and Ed Oliver to do so? That could come back to haunt them, but only if Ferrell doesn't live up to the huge expectations the Raiders have now placed upon him.

2. Giants make Daniel Jones the second QB off the board
I'm not going to go back and make Giants fans relive this pick, but it was certainly shocking that Jones went before Dwayne Haskins, even when indications picked up this week that he was the Giants' preferred option at the position. And that's because the Giants also had a pick at No. 17 that people thought would be much fairer value for Jones.

While I get that you don't want to risk losing the top QB on your board by playing three-dimensional chess with the draft board, the Giants entered Thursday with 12 picks. Twelve! You couldn't create some type of package to get you back into range of selecting Jones ahead of other potential landing spots? It was well known that the Lions were looking to move off No. 8, and it might not even have taken that far of a jump. Putting together the right package could have given the Giants a higher pick with which to take Jones and freed them up to add a beast of an edge rusher in Josh Allen at No. 6, an interior defender like Ed Oliver or whoever they had as the top offensive lineman in the draft.

If Jones is the next Peyton or Eli Manning, none of that matters. But that's quite a bar to set for a kid who hasn't played a down in the NFL.

3. Falcons focus on linemen, but not on the defensive side
Most people saw a front-four player as the Falcons' biggest need, and they were indeed connected to Ed Oliver (in a potential trade-up scenario) and Christian Wilkins before the draft began. But after both players were on the clock, they decided to make guard Chris Lindstrom the second offensive lineman off the board. Lindstrom had a late Day 1 grade for many.

Speaking of late Day 1, the Falcons made a move up to get a second pick on Thursday, and all it cost them was the chance to make any picks on Day 2. Sacrificing a whole day meant they would address the D-line with their second pick, right? Not even close, they instead took another offensive lineman at No. 31 in Kaleb McGary, who can step in at right tackle for the team.

I get making offensive line a priority, but when getting those two prospects costs you the chance to help a defense that struggled last year, it's a curious decision people can easily point to as a misstep if the defense struggles again, even with better health.

4. Texans go off the board in Round 1
Tytus Howard is a small-school prospect from Alabama State that a lot of people liked, so much so that I thought he was a lock to make it into Day 2 of the draft, likely as a third-round selection. Instead, when the Eagles traded up to take Andre Dillard one spot ahead of Houston, the Texans just went to the next tackle on their board and selected Howard at No. 23 overall.

I can't knock them for prioritizing protection for Deshaun Watson; it's absolutely essential to make that your focus after he gets sacked 62 times in a season. But with an extra second-round pick in tow, the Texans should have been more than happy to put a couple picks together to go get Dillard before the Eagles could. It doesn't even have to cost one of those second-rounders; put a three and a six together to hop in and get the best prospect for what you need.

Howard now has to make the leap from Alabama State to the pros and help improve the team's O-line issues immediately, or Watson might not last far into the season. If he's not up to the task, then Will Brinson making the Texans one of his losers from the weekend will surely prove wise. You can see his full list of winners and losers right here.

5. Broncos pass on Drew Lock twice before they don't
Deciding to trade down from No. 10 to No. 20 instead of taking Drew Lock, a player the Broncos have been connected to for months, grades as a small shock. Not taking him when they were back on the clock at No. 20 was a head-scratcher, but I love the prospect they got instead in tight end Noah Fant.

But getting back on the clock at No. 41 and still not taking Lock? The only thing more surprising than that was the Broncos then trading for the following pick and finally taking him off the board at No. 42.

If the Broncos had exited this draft with Lock and Dalton Risner, their selection at No. 41, I would have considered it a win. But to trade back from No. 10, get an extra second-round pick and wind up with Lock, Risner and Fant? Well done, John Elway.

6. Browns somehow get a first-round talent
When the Browns traded their first-round pick as part of the package for Odell Beckham, you could forgive us for thinking that they wouldn't have a chance to land an impact player in this draft. After all, their new first pick was all the way at No. 49, and prospects who many people think are the best in their position don't make it to the middle of the second round -- at least, not at a critically-important position like cornerback.

But when the Patriots made Joejuan Williams the sixth cornerback off the board, the Browns decided not to wait any longer, trading up to No. 46 to get Greedy Williams. I think there are issues with Greedy's game, and he's going to have to become a better tackler at the next level. But he's a guy who also makes a ton of game-changing plays on the field, and he's going to have some big moments for the Browns this year. I had Byron Murphy as my top corner, but if you told me Greedy would be the sixth corner off the board, there's no way I would have believed it.

7. D.K. Metcalf almost falls to Round 3
Metcalf was the presumed top receiver in this draft class after blazing a 4.33 40 at his size, but between injury issues and his lack of versatility as a receiver, I'm not surprised to see him slide to Day 2. But forget Greedy Williams being the sixth corner taken; no one, and I mean no one, thought eight receivers would go before Metcalf

Yes, eight. Check the list. Marquise Brown. N'Keal Harry. Deebo Samuel. A.J. Brown. Mecole Hardman. J.J. Arcega-Whiteside. Parris Campbell. Andy Isabella. If someone shows you a tweet where they said that Mecole Hardman and Andy Isabella would be drafted before D.K. Metcalf, ask them how many thousands of autogenerated wrong predictions they deleted before trying to impress you.

I don't know that I love the fit in Seattle, especially after news came out that Doug Baldwin may have played his last down in the NFL. I don't think you can ask Metcalf to be what Baldwin is to that offense at all, especially not in Year 1. Not all receiving roles are created equal. But if Tyler Lockett can become the team's new Baldwin while Metcalf takes the top off, Russell Wilson should be even happier than you'd normally assume a guy who just signed a $140 million contract would be.

8. Steelers 'reach' for receiver but deserve our trust
I correctly pegged the top of Round 3 as where the Steelers would target a receiver, and not just because that was one of the picks they got for Antonio Brown. It just made sense -- there were no top-tier standouts in the class, but it was incredibly deep, so much so that even if 8-10 went off the board in Round 2, they should have options there at landing a good receiver.

That came to pass: guys I like who were still on the board at No. 66 include Terry McLaurin and Miles Boykin, both of whom went later in the third round. And don't forget about Hakeem Butler, who some felt was the best receiver in this class. Did the Steelers take any of those guys?

No, they took Diontae Johnson out of Toledo. Who?

While Johnson was overshadowed by many other receivers in this deep class, there is some Emmanuel Sanders potential here, and with a deep threat like James Washington already among the complementary options behind JuJu Smith-Schuster, Johnson can develop at his own pace and then all of a sudden be one of the best receivers in this class in a couple years. Draft, develop, repeat in Pittsburgh.

9. Jaguars spend Round 3 pick on a guy no one heard of
I don't know anyone who had Quincy Williams, safety out of Murray State, in their top 100 rankings. Or top 200 rankings. Or top whatever rankings, for that matter. He was a virtual unknown when the Jaguars used the 98th overall pick to take him. NFL Network didn't even have video to show of Williams, and those guys dive deep and try to cover as many contingencies as possible. That should tell you that Williams was going to be a late Day 3 pick at best.

But the Jaguars thought late Day 2 was the right spot for Williams, who just happens to be the brother of No. 3 overall pick Quinnen Williams (maybe they thought that's who they were taking?). I can't knock Quincy Williams as a prospect -- he could end up a star for all I know, and the Jaguars have certainly developed virtual unknowns into quality defenders before. I just don't understand using such a valuable pick to get him.

10. Metcalf not the only receiver stuck waiting
If you think D.K. Metcalf having to wait until the end of the second round was surprising, that wasn't the only shocking thing involving receivers in this year's draft. And I'm not even talking about Hakeem Butler falling to the first pick of the fourth round.

What about Kelvin Harmon? Some thought he could be a fringe first-rounder, but I think most had him as a rock-solid Day 2 prospect. Instead, he didn't even make it in the top 200 picks. Harmon isn't a top-200 player after back-to-back 1,000-yard seasons at NC State? The Redskins finally stopped his fall late in the sixth round, making him the 22nd receiver off the board, behind such names as Juwann Winfree, Marcus Green and Daxby McBadhands, and I only made the last of those names up.

But at least Harmon got drafted. Players we thought were sure to hear their names called but didn't include Emanuel Hall, Stanley Morgan and David Sills, and those are only some of the receivers to make it onto our Chris Trapasso's top 25 undrafted players list. Head over to see which other receiver made it to the top spot.

I'll be happy for 4/25/2019 so we can talk about some new stuff and the Rams will not go RB early.

There was a run on RBs immediately afterward, so they were likely right. I hope they were right in how they valued him - counting later moves necessitated by the Henderson trade, it probably cost them two potential starters (two late thirds for him. Then when a guy they wanted was in the late thirds, traded their final third and a fourth to move up, getting a fifth back. Then when a guy they wanted was falling to the late fourth, traded two fifths to get him. All the guys they got except Henderson could have been gotten without moving, including a late 3rd RB, pick 101 to get whomever they wanted, and another late 5th.) But if he is as electric as they expect, all is great.

the whole draft was planned around getting henderson. the rams need gurley firing on all cylinders in the playoffs. that hasn't happened yet and the rams paid dearly for it. henderson will be mcvay's rams chris thompson so he will get his touches, make a ton of yards and keep gurley fresher for the playoffs.

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CAMP REPORT 2019 NFL Draft Rounds 4-7 (no spoilers)

I've watched a number of his games. He lacks separation traits. He's a possession WR who wins with his hands, body control, and large frame. In the right system, that can be valuable, but many systems don't value a player like that. The only routes where he gets somewhat consistent separation involve double or triple moves.

Whatever

CAMP REPORT 2019 NFL Draft Round 1 (no spoiled picks)

So your still saying a QB ?? Don’t see it !!

More needs than picks. But again, they didn't interview a bunch of QBs for the heck of it. They would like a QB, if the draft works out that way. Bortles is a free agent after the season, and the Rams got lucky to find a vet QB who is mostly being paid by his old team. McVay has seen the value of investing draft capital for a backup even if you think the starter is secure - he was a coach with Washington, after all.

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