dieterbrock said:

Monday night Football on the night before MLB Playoffs begin, and this is what we got....
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Next week will be a game!

In all honesty, I think the Steelers and the Bengals are done this year. Steelers look like a 7-9 team at best and the Bengals might even lose to the Dolphins.

I heard it during the game.
Anyone assuming it means anything specific is way over reaching.
Play clock and Gurley changing his position....to block....logic says he was commenting on run the play and nothing else.
This sort of “drama fishing” gets old and is based on nothing.

10 biggest Week 4 surprises

The Cincinnati Bengals and Pittsburgh Steelers will wrap things up in Week 4 on Monday Night Football, but between the back-and-forth Thursday Night Football game and all of Sunday's surprising upsets, we already have a lot to discuss. Week 4 in the NFL tends to typically be the week where everything we think we know about teams gets flipped on its head and that's exactly what happened.

Patrick Mahomes was supposed to put up video game numbers in his first career NFL game in a dome, the Los Angeles Rams defense was supposed to dominate Jameis Winston so badly the Tampa Bay Buccaneers would have to consider a quarterback change, and young quarterbacks Daniel Jones, Kyle Allen, and Gardner Minshew were supposed to come back to earth in losing efforts for their respective teams. None of that actually happened.

So let's break down the 10 most surprising performances from Week 4.

1. Mahomes comes up one shy of Peyton Manning

Going into Week 4, this was the narrative surrounding Mahomes and the Chiefs: How many touchdowns would he throw in his first career NFL game inside a dome? It was a fair question to ask after Mahomes tossed up four touchdowns in one quarter earlier in the season and 10 through his first three games. Mahomes was also looking to tie Peyton Manning's streak of 15 straight games with multiple touchdown passes. Instead, the Lions' underrated pass defense held its own -- a common theme for Detroit through the first quarter of the 2019 season. Mahomes did not throw a single touchdown pass.

Chiefs fans can take solace in the fact that Kansas City was able to win a road game against a previously unbeaten team without a single touchdown from Mahomes. The third-year quarterback's consolation prize -- he's now only two games away from tying Kurt Warner and Steve Young for the most consecutive 300-yard passing games to start a regular season.

A wild Week 4 is nearly in the books and there's a lot to go over. Fortunately, Jason La Canfora, Ryan Wilson and John Breech break down the Monday night game and more on the latest episode of the Pick Six Podcast. Listen to the full show below and be sure to subscribe right here to get daily NFL goodness fired into your eardrums.

2. Winston could be Bruce Arians' next success story

After the first two weeks of the season, some fans had already ruled out the Winston-Arians revival narrative. When the Buccaneers hired Arians this offseason, the idea was for him to help revive Winston's career as he did with Carson Palmer in Arizona. By the time Week 2 rolled around, Week 1 overreactions took over following Winston throwing multiple pick-sixes in his regular-season debut. Week 4 was a potential breaking point for Winston after a close home loss in Week 3 and against one of the NFL's best pass defenses through the first three weeks: the Los Angeles Rams on the road.Winston responded by becoming the first quarterback to torch the Rams this season with 385 passing yards and four passing touchdowns -- his fifth career game with 375 passing yards and three touchdowns -- tying a milestone held by Aaron Rodgers and Tony Romo. Winston and the Buccaneers scored 55 points, the most ever allowed by the Rams since they drafted perennial All-Pro Aaron Donald in 2014.After completing just 59% of his passes for 402 passing yards with two touchdowns and three interceptions over his first two games, Winston has responded by completing 65.4% with 765 passing yards, seven touchdowns, and two interceptions over his last two games.

3. Young, unheralded quarterbacks continue to find success

Kyle Allen, Daniel Jones, and Gardner Minshew all made starts in Week 4 -- including two on the road -- and all three quarterbacks came away victorious. At one point or another, all three have been doubted by the NFL media, among others. Jones went No. 6 overall in a decision that was bashed by just about every NFL analyst and fan for what seemed like months until the first preseason game. Allen was passed on by every team in the 2018 NFL Draft before he signed as an undrafted free agent. Minshew fell all the way into the sixth round of the 2019 NFL Draft, where the Jaguars scooped him.

After Week 4, Jones became the second quarterback in Giants history (joining Phil Simms) to go 2-0 in his first two career starts. Allen became the first quarterback in Panthers history to start 3-0. Minshew had his first career game-winning drive and now has a 7:1 touchdown to interception ratio.

4. Gore continues to defy the typical RB life span

In Week 4, the ageless Frank Gore accomplished something no running back has since 1978. Gore became the first 36-year-old running back to eclipse the 100-yard rushing mark (109) in a single game in 41 years. In the process, Gore broke the 1,500-yard career rushing mark. And it's not like Gore is just doing so because he's receiving heavy volume. Gore has averaged 4.5 yards per carry through the first four games of the 2019 season. The best part? Gore has no intention of hanging up his cleats anytime soon.

"Now I just want to keep playing ball," Gore told the Bills' official website after Week 4.

He's arguably one of the best running backs in NFL history due to his longevity alone.

5. Barrett continues historically hot start to 2019

Shaq Barrett signed a one-year prove-it deal with the Buccaneers this offseason and through the first four weeks he has done exactly that. Barrett had another sack in Tampa's win over the Rams. He also impacted the game with a forced fumble and an interception, in addition to 4 tackles. Barrett is now up to 9 sacks on the 2019 season through four games -- he's tied for the most sacks by any NFL player through his first four games since they started tallying the statistic in 1982.

Barrett has already cemented himself in the Defensive Player of the Year conversation, and at this rate, he could very well be the most highly-sought free agent this offseason -- assuming the Buccaneers don't use the franchise tag to keep him from hitting the open market.

6. Godwin takes over a game like an elite WR

Everything came up Buccaneers in their defining Week 4 victory that put them right back in the playoff picture. In addition to Winston and Barrett, it was also a defining day for third-year wide receiver Chris Godwin. The 2017 third-round draft pick set career highs with 12 receptions for 172 receiving yards and two touchdowns after nearly missing the game with a hip injury. Godwin is now up to 386 receiving yards and four touchdowns through his first four games. He has caught nearly everything that has come his way: 26 receptions on 33 targets. The third-year pro is emerging as a second elite wide receiver for Winston to throw to.

7. Browns offense operates best through Chubb

The Browns struggled to find their identity on the offensive side of the ball for the first three weeks of the season, and then Nick Chubb happened. With a must-win game on the slate on the road against the Baltimore Ravens in Week 4, the Browns flipped the offensive game script and leaned on Chubb. The second-year running back totaled 165 rushing yards with three touchdowns and become the first player in NFL history to rack up 150 rushing yards or more and three touchdowns against the Ravens defense.

The Browns changed their offensive game plan and leaned more often on heavy personnel packages -- specifically in 12 personnel (two tight ends) -- to help make Chubb the focal point on offense. Chubb combines an efficient running style between the tackles with breakaway ability. Chubb's 88-yard rushing touchdown makes him one of five players in Browns history to score two rushing touchdowns of 80-plus yards in his career (he had a 92-yard score in 2018).

Saquon Barkley was the talk of the 2018 running back class, but don't get it mistaken -- Chubb is a special talent and he is going to make a massive impact in the NFL.

8. Gallman picks up the post-Barkley slack

Speaking of Saquon Barkley, Week 4 was the first of several weeks he will be sidelined with a high-ankle sprain. Before the game, Barkley tweeted that Wayne Gallman was about to go off, and in the Giants' 24-3 victory over the Redskins in Week 4, he was very effective on a per-touch basis. Gallman entered the game with three career touchdowns in 31 games, but he found the end zone twice in the first half against the Redskins.

Gallman finished with 63 rushing yards on 18 carries. More importantly, he was a weapon in the passing game. Gallman caught 6-of-7 targets for 55 yards including a nifty screen pass on third and long to keep a Giants possession alive.

9. Flacco finally finds consistent success in the passing game

Most Broncos fans had given up on their passing game and Joe Flacco entering Week 4, but he finally came alive and showed a much-improved rapport with wide receivers Emmanuel Sanders and Courtland Sutton.

Flacco eclipsed the 300-yard passing mark for the first time this season with 303 yards, three passing touchdowns and one interception. He was able to find consistent success in the intermediate and short passing game while also connecting on longer passing plays. Most importantly, he cashed in during Denver's red zone trips. Ultimately, the defense let the Broncos down in this game. The Broncos will need their passing game to carry the more now than ever after losing Bradley Chubb to a torn ACL in Week 4.

10. Fournette just misses making Jaguars history

It had been a very rocky season for Leonard Fournette through the first three weeks, and with the exception of one long run against the Titans in Week 3, he almost made history for finishing a game with negative rushing yards. In Week 4, that all changed. Fournette totaled 225 rushing yards -- the second-most in team history. He came 10 yards shy of breaking Fred Taylor's all-time single-game rushing record. Fournette also racked up his first 100-plus rushing game since 2017. The Jaguars have won two straight and Fournette played a key role in helping steal a road victory in what is historically one of the toughest places to play on the road in September -- in Denver.

CGI_Ram said:

Notable additions

• Traded for former Texans DE Jadeveon Clowney in August. Now in his sixth NFL season, Clowney tied an NFL record set in 1984 with eight sacks through the first three games. Those eight sacks also lead the league. The former undrafted free agent spent his first five years with the Denver Broncos before signing a one-year deal with the Buccaneers this offseason.

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lol I like how they decided to give Clowney the stats and career of Shaquill Barret .

Not a good sign IMO:

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Torry has said in the past that he wants to keep his finger as it is as a memory of the game he played. I respect that.

Adi said:

Seems like some of us are writing off Jared , let's not forget how lucky we are to have him .

We rams fans went a very long time with sorry qbs and a losing franchise.

I just seen an article that said , "rams should of passed on Goff and drafted a qb ". This is asinine, jared has great talent and has had a few bad games behind a very bad o line and no running game. Think a rookie would do better ? I say no

Let's be fans and support this team, they ste 3-1 !!! Mcvay will fix this offense and I'm not against making a trade for another interior linemen.

Go rams ! Bring on the hawks!

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Great post and I couldn't have put it better. Goff will be fine and I know he won't overthrow his targets anymore. That, more than even the picks, killed us yesterday. Last year he just did not do that very often if at all. And thanks for supporting the team. I believe I love the team even when they lose. Go Rams. Let's beat those darn Seattle Seahawks.

Peters is one tough MFer.

BTW, Tom Brady's Passer rating this week was 45.9
He was 18 for 39 (46.2%) for 150 with 0 TD and 1 INT.

I have the game DVRed but haven't had a chance to watch it yet. I am going to guess he was under a lot of pressure.


MOD EDIT: 48 hr rule. Locking thread. Moving on to Seahawks!

NFL Network tomorrow if anyone is interested. 12:00 Noon Pacific Time for you west coast fans.

Nevermind.

Well? Did they throw 'em or not?

dieterbrock said:

The Bert Blyleven of NFL running backs.

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LOL

The "bad" bacteria that causes diarrhea
C. diff is the most important cause of infectious diarrhea in the United States, but it's a bit player on the long roster of intestinal bacteria. In fact, only 1% to 3% of healthy adults harbor C. diff among their normal intestinal bacteria, and, even then, C. diff is present in tiny numbers and is usually harmless.
What has turned a bit player into a major pathogen that is wreaking havoc on a rapidly growing number of Americans? Surprisingly, perhaps, the culprits are antibiotics. It sounds paradoxical, but it's not. Antibiotics are supposed to inhibit or kill bacteria, and they do. When used properly, they target aggressive bacteria that are causing infections. But even when they succeed at that task, they inevitably cause collateral damage to bacteria that are innocent bystanders in the human body. When normal intestinal bacteria are bumped off by friendly fire, a void is created. With increasing frequency, C. diff seizes the opportunity to fill the void — especially in hospitalized patients, many of whom are already weakened and ill-prepared to withstand the stress of diarrhea and fever.

Jacobarch said:

Knee jerk reaction. Let's see how allen finishes the season. Lots of backups play well at first and once teams get some film on him things change quickly

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We saw this happen with the Rams, and it's happened before and can happen again.

The $$$ savings is gigantic. And like I said IF he continues to play well shit could change for Newton. Like his address.

jetplt67 said:

Wait for it......Wait for it

Let's go get Cam

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LOL

Farr Be It said:

Shouldn’t Denny get a biscuit, at least, for this prognostication?

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I've been to Knott's Berry Farm quite a few times. My parents took my brother and myself when we lived in LA. Absolutely superb place. Magic Mountain we used to frequent as well. Anyway enough of that nonsense, congrats to the Dodgers.......now bring the World Series home.

Wonder how @Rynie feels about this game? Dallas unstoppable in Q3 but the rest of the game?

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I think they're gonna get rid of it after this season. I haven't seen a play overturned yet, although I'm sure some have been. All it has done is slow the game down for no reason. Fucking arsehole face Payton.

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Yeah Payton pissed me off against The Rams this season. He did not ever get off the Ref for blowing TD dead.

Soul Surfer said:

I always liked Kush and I always hated Robinson.

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I always liked Greg Robinson better than Aaron Donald, just like Snisher did . Lol —

Anyway always a true Draftnik !! Thought The Rams should have traded the pick & also sign RG111 on the cheap once he left Washington. He was cheap & still had a chance of being decent. Even as a backup.

Just think ? The Rams traded for all those picks & got the 2nd pick in the draft again.
Why not trade back for ever ?? Making it the best trade in NFL history??

Looking back it’s history, in my mind it will last for ever. What if ??

Things are going on daily all around us, but we are so engrossed in our own lives that we don't see it. Here is perhaps the creepiest story I have. It's also 100% true. It was the summer of 1979, in Manhattan Beach, CA. about 2:30 am Saturday morning. Some friends from work and I had been talking about just this kind of stuff all day at work. So I told them I knew of a place that many times things happened if they wanted to stay up late and join me they were welcome. There were 2 girls, 3 guys besides myself. I took them to a 24 hour coffee shop a couple of blocks from Manhattan pier. On the corner of the intersection was another very popular coffee shop called the Kettle, but this wasn't it. This was a block to the north of it. It generally was very quiet even on a weekend.

Let me set the stage. The shop had big windows on two sides, the front and one other side. There was the usual sidewalk, and 3 steps up to the front door. When you entered there was a counter with swivel stools immediately in front of the door extending to the left of the door. We sat in a large circular booth in the front to the right of the door in the corner of the room.

When we arrived at about 2am there was only one couple at a table and one large man wearing a long black overcoat and a dark ballcap, sitting at the counter in the middle of the row of seats drinking coffee.

We sat there talking quietly for half an hour with my friends getting impatient....expecting something strange to happen, like maybe a UFO landing in the parking lot across street. Finally one guy said "Well??"

I said "Well what?"

He responded, "I knew you were full of shit."

I was quiet for a moment, and said "No I just wanted to see if any of you see it."

"What?" he said.

We were talking very quietly all this time. "Him" I said as I nudged by chin at the guy at the counter. There is no way he could have heard us. There was background music to keep the employees awake and he was too far away. He had his head down and we were to his side, and slightly behind him.

Just as I said that the guy put some money on the counter, got up and walked to the door with his head down. Just as he got to the door he stopped for just a moment, raised his head and looked at us smiling. All my friends gasped and one girl began screaming hysterically. He had bright red eyes. The man immediately went through the door. But he didn't come out the other side. We couldn't see the actual door because of the angle but we could see immediately beyond it. The door never opened.

The manager came running over as the screaming girl was sobbing hysterically. He said he would call for help. There was no 911 in those days so he called the cops. One of the guys who was a devote Catholic was continually crossing himself and praying. He kept saying OMG it was Satan!! The cops thought everyone was high on drugs and hallucinating. I just sat there saying nothing at all.

Finally I looked at the manager and smiled and said "Don't look so angry. When this gets out you will be packed every night!" and I laughed.

The girl I was seeing at the time sitting next to me asked me "How did you know".

I shook my head and answered honestly, that I didn't know how. It was simply a feeling I got the moment we walked in. We were "lucky" because normally things like that didn't happen, even then. But they did happen enough so that I knew it was one of those places. I was there regularly....the food was good and I didn't have to fight crowds.

Yeah... I'm locking this thread. We already have a vent thread. Sigh

Browns stomp the Ravens
Teddy-led Saints shut down the red-hot Cowboys
Bucs held McCaffrey to 37 yards on 16 carries back in week 2
Carolina is Carolina

We need OL help but overall that's a pretty decent schedule to walk away with a 3-1 record

RamFan503 said:

Oops!

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Yeah even with him I'd have lost. Mack getting hurt and Corey Davis who I benched after week 1 finally went off. Even then it'd have been close.