9. Troy Hill, Los Angeles Rams

Hill may be one of the lesser-known names on this list, but the former undrafted free agent out of Oregon made a real impact for the Rams’ defense in his fifth NFL season — especially as a cornerback in zone coverage, where he allowed seven receptions on 20 targets for 118 yards, no touchdowns, one interception, and a Positive Play Rate of 35% — the fifth-best rate in the NFL for cornerbacks targeted 20 or more times. Overall, Hill allowed 20 catches on 50 targets for 263 yards, two touchdowns, two interceptions, and a Positive Play Rate allowed of 38%, which is the second-lowest among outside cornerbacks with at least 50 targets, behind only New England’s J.C. Jackson. It’s a testament to Hill’s trail ability, recovery speed, and intelligent aggression that he’s become a positive attribute in a defense that’s looking to (re)build around Aaron Donald.

The scheme Adams played in had a lot to do with his production. Note he was used to blitz a lot and when you look at his coverage skills, Rapp is clearly the better safety. The Jets played Adams like most teams would play a coverage ILB. Frankly, I don't see the reason for his hype. Adams is a good SS but I don't see the "elite" player some say he is. IMO Rapp is a far better SS overall.

KJD_Ram said:

I only have 1 issue with Goff....when the pocket breaks down and the heat is coming, he has a tendency to want to go long....that requires a big wind up and he frequently gets stripped....scramble outside the tackle and heave it OOB....live for another play... Hey, I can respect the want to hit a home run but he's only 4 years into a 15+ Ram HOF career, he's still learning and getting better....

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His numbers aren't spectacular because he does get rid of the ball quickly to avoid a sack. That's why the Rams had such a low sack rate with an awful oline.

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It is unlikely we win the division because our OL is unlikely to be a plus unit. Skill positions are there but they require good blocking.

If the OL rebounds, though, we are right in that mix. We need that to happen to take this division along with good things to happen on defense. Certainly possible but is it likely? I don"t think so.

IMO we are probably gonna be fighting for a wildcard spot.

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That was the Rams horns at their best in my opinion.

Thicker at the base then spread apart and thin as they curl around the ear hole.

BonifayRam said:

Reference not utilizing much of the Ram 2020 Draft value tender on the OL....... Sure did take most of the ROD members by surprise. As we discussed above Snead has had very poor success history on his usage of "Treasured Draft Tender" in order to bring improvement to his OL. So I do understand his reluctance to have gone in that direction based on his history.

Snead has used most of his past & future (2016 through 2021) draft tender on 3 positions QB/ WR/ CB (Goff/Cooks/Ramsey). Of those 1 is already gone, another is slated to be gone March 2021 & the last Goff just finished his rookie contract....then signed a $134 mil./ $110 million guarantee which is the largest in NFL history that will see him here through 2024.

3 OL'ers whom Snead gathered through the use of draft tender were starting OL'ers......LG Noteboom (started 6 gms)/ OC Allen (started 9 gms) & LG Corbett (stated 8 gms) all will be entering their 3rd NFL seasons on their original 4 yr contracts, none have produced much in over the first half of their contracts periods. Of these 3 only newly acquired Austin Corbett with a 5th rd draft pick is thought to be an initial starter @ LG.

The other 2 are coming off 2019 season knee injuries with OT Noteboom being the far worse off. Noteboom still appears to be an initially probable PUP candidate IMO. Ready for full game day action by Bye week. Allen should be ready for a TC battle for his 2019 starting center post with Blythe who replaced him after his injury. Obviously Snead is expecting a different outcome over the these young 3 OL'ers from this point on. He will depend heavy on his 3 signed UFA's OL'ers Blythe/ Whitworth & Havenstein all of which have a much more proven results.

At this time Snead seemed to end up doing better with his two 2019 drafted OL'ers Edwards & Evans who are looking more optimistic overall than his 2018 drafted Ol'ers. Edwards is a sure starting OG based off his very good rookie season where he played in four OL posts. Evans will be fighting to retain his starting later half starting RT post over longtime starter Hav. If Evans falls a little short he is sure to win the very important Swing OT position while Noteboom gets healthier.

Snead had some prosperity with McVay/Kromer with developing UDFA/WWC's OL'ers i.e. OC-OG Blythe/ OT-OG Brewer/ OC-OG Shelton. All three should have no issues making the 9 OL unit this season.

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Will see ??
Corbett could bring a comp pick ?

As far as Snead goes - Fisher played a big role in begin,more so than now.

Developing ? A guy like Roger Saffold never totally solidified himself as a Ram,until Whitworth & Sullivan.He needed that locker room leadership those guys brought.

—Rob Havenstien needs to reestablish himself in 2020. He is the only Snisher gUy that has lasted.

BRUD!

I feel pretty good about Kiser and Howard making the roster and im rooting for Johnston. Im not confident in Reeder and I think it's time to move on. I am interested in seeing Young play and if he can show anything.

XXXIVwin said:

Hey Elm, I still remember when you posted about this dream from two years ago. But you left out one of the key details!

Here's what ya wrote back then....

About a month ago I had a dream about a reptilian Alien visiting me in my room. She made me have sex with her. I remember asking her where I was supposed to put it and I looked down and her scales parted to both sides, and I was like, Okay let's get busy.

Afterwards as I saw her walk back to her ship, I saw Jeff Fisher at the controls.

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Haha, I wonder how that last part got in there

Sit the fark down, boys. Let me show you how it's done.... ~Jared Goff
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Sorry guys, I’ve just been really busy lately. I didn’t have time to put videos together but tomorrow I will restart. Anyway, here’s the last 4 days worth of Rams players

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You nailed it.
Three All Pros and an Italian American.
Great job.

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Too late

BonifayRam said:

Og Okoronkwo has much more pass rushing DL'er in him than OLB'er. Hard for me to see thus far a complete 34 D OLB'er in this new defense.

But he is in his 3rd season now & I would expect him to get plenty of snaps @ the 5 tech & 3 tech DL posts in most all passing situations. In addition, see him getting snaps on both sides @ OLB'er as the first off the bench for the starters.

I do not expect him take Ebukam's starting post away from him nor do I see him as the starter in the Dante Fowler Jr post where the 10 million LB Floyd is slated to play.

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Floyd is not taking Fowler's spot. He will be taking Matthews' spot on the strong side playing the run and in coverage more than pass rushing every down. While Staley wants to mix the pass rush up so Floyd will pass rush on some occasions. This is important as that leaves the pass rush OLber/Edge spot open. Here is the article on Floyd's future position with the Rams.
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Leonard Floyd hopes his versatility helps Rams 'dominate on defense'

Cameron DaSilva

May 12, 2020 8:47 am ET
The Los Angeles Rams desperately needed pass-rush help this offseason after losing Dante Fowler Jr. in free agency and cutting Clay Matthews. Shortly after Fowler agreed to terms with the Falcons, Floyd did the same with the Rams.

Floyd and Fowler aren’t necessarily the same types of players, though. Although both came to the Rams after disappointing starts to their careers as pass rushers, they have different skill sets.

Floyd is more of a strongside linebacker who sets the run well and drops into coverage against running backs and tight ends. Fowler rarely dropped into coverage with the Rams, typically rushing the quarterback from the weakside.

Floyd hopes his versatility becomes an asset for the Rams and helps them dominate defensively.
“I’m a guy that can do more than one thing on the field,” Floyd said on a conference call Monday. “I can set the edge in the run. I can drop in coverage, and I’m coming to LA to continue to work on my pass rush, to elevate that even more.”

While fans will expect Floyd to be a one-for-one replacement for Fowler, the young linebacker doesn’t see it that way. He said he doesn’t “feel pressure to match his level” and simply wants to play his own game, doing what it takes to help the Rams improve.

“I just want to come in and play at my level and try to help the team win games and try to dominate on defense,” Floyd said.
Part of the reason Floyd already feels somewhat comfortable in L.A. because of his reunion with defensive coordinator Brandon Staley. He praised Staley on the call, complimenting his energy as a coach.

That’ll be a different feeling for Rams players, who have been accustom to Wade Phillips’ laid-back approach for the last three years.


Floyd has never had more than seven sacks in a season as a pro and has seen his total decrease with each passing year. He had just three in 2019, but with Staley back as his coach again and Aaron Donald also rushing the quarterback alongside him, Floyd could be in for a career year – just as Fowler had in his first full season with the Rams.

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It may surprise posters that Ebukam played nearly as many snaps as Matthews last year. Matthews just under 56% with Ebu at 51%. Fowler was at 83% Obo was just over 10%.

My guess has been that Ebu starts in place of Fowler. While Ebu is not the pass rusher that Fowler was he can drop back into coverage allowing Floyd, a CB or safety to pass rush on occasions. This gives Staley is versatility he wants. There will be opportunities for Obo, Lewis and Polite to com in a rush the passer on 3rd downs and give Ebu a rest. I expect Fowler to move int he middle on 3rd downs playing Littleton's spot.

I originally came back into this thread because it looks like Obo is ready to take the next step and be a difference-maker. He has good football sense and if he can pass rush and cover he will get more and more playing time. I expect him to make a difference in getting to the QB. He looked good in his limited playing time. Here a link about Ebu.

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Meaning what? Brock Osweiller won a game against the Patriots and Tom Brady, does this mean Brock Osweiller was better than Tom Brady?

The Rams had an arguably much more talented roster in our Superbowl run and we lost. I'm not saying Goff is bad. The guy got us to a Superbowl. But I don't think he can pull a team from a deficit and make the plays to win the big games like Mahomes.

It's like comparing Aaron Donald to Fletcher Cox. Fletcher Cox is great. However, I'd rather pay for Aaron Donald because I think he's a Hall of Fame talent and worth every penny he's getting paid. Some might disagree and say we could have a Fletcher Cox and another player for the cost of Donald. To each their own.

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That was an out on out punching match between two very good QBs. Goff won that round.

That is what I am saying.

Not saying Goff is better than Mahomes but he got the best of him in that matchup.

And would I take Mahomes over Goff in the short run - I have to hit myself for saying this but yes.

But that contract is going to kill the chiefs if Mahomes ever goes down with an injury that limits his elusiveness.

To sum up

Goff is a much better pocket passer than Mahomes. Mahomes is a much better playmaker than Goff.

Simple as that.

Yikes! ~ Zac Stacy

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NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year candidates: Chase Young in front

The phrase "generational talent" is being used way too often these days, but I do feel like it's a potentially deserved tag for Washington Redskins rookie Chase Young. First-year edge rushers have a good shot to win the Defensive Rookie of the Year award, as long as they get to the quarterback on a regular basis. That is something Young appears ready and able to do.

Inside linebackers are also frequently in the mix if they step into a starting job and have the speed and versatility to stay on the field for all three downs. Patrick Queen and Kenneth Murray could fit that bill this season.

Let's take a glance at some historical notes and trends that could help piece the DROY puzzle together.
No safety has won the award since Mark Carrier did it for the Chicago Bears in 1990.

Only three DROY recipients over the last 31 seasons were not drafted in the first round: Darius Leonard (2018), DeMeco Ryans (2006) and Kendrell Bell (2001).

Ohio State alums have won this award in three of the last four seasons.

Since 2002, six edge rushers have won it with season sack totals ranging from nine to 12.

Below are my top eight candidates (plus, one dark horse) to win the Defensive Rookie of the Year award for the 2020 season.

1) Chase Young, edge rusher, Washington Redskins

With the Buckeyes producing winners of this award in three of the last four years, I guess it shouldn't be a surprise to see Young positioned as the favorite to take home the hardware this season. He has great size and length to transition to playing against NFL tackles. He's also shown a consistent pattern of growth as a rusher. He has the quickness and disruptive qualities to become an early factor as a run defender, too, which should bolster his production portfolio as a rookie.

2) Patrick Queen, LB, Baltimore Ravens

While just two DROY winners over the last 10 seasons were off-ball linebackers, both players (Darius Leonard and Luke Kuechly) played fast and offered coverage versatility on third downs. Queen is not only fast in a straight line, but his scrape explosiveness is extremely impressive and he can cover both tight ends and running backs down the field. He plays with an alpha mentality and should stack plenty of tackles for a proven defense in Year 1.

3) Kenneth Murray, LB, Los Angeles Chargers

Murray was one of the fastest linebackers in 2020 NFL Draft, with the ability to move around the field like a big running back once he diagnoses the play. He's very comfortable matching up man-to-man on passing downs. He's also a voracious competitor and film-eater who figures to be as prepared as any rookie defender we will see in 2020. If he can improve his ability to leverage gaps and take on blocks, he could end up as this season's DROY.

4) Isaiah Simmons, LB, Arizona Cardinals

Simmons is a tremendous athletic specimen with rare versatility to go with impressive height, length and speed. His ability to operate as a hybrid defender could allow Arizona to move him around the field as a matchup neutralizer. There's risk in asking him to do too much too soon -- something the Cardinals appear to be aiming to avoid -- but he has the potential to shine in a manner similar to Darius Leonard.

5) Jeff Okudah, CB, Detroit Lions

Given the difficulty of his position and his relatively low ball production in college (three INTs, 18 passes defensed in three seasons), perhaps I've ranked Okudah too high on this list. Here's the thing, though: He's a terrific athlete with great length and the physical ability to twitch and explode on throws. He hasn't learned to fully trust his eyes, but if it starts to click for him in that area as a rookie and if he's allowed to play a little more off-man coverage, those explosive traits could pay early dividends.

6) K'Lavon Chaisson, edge rusher, Jacksonville Jaguars

I had the Jaguars' Josh Allen in this exact spot in last year's edition of this list, but he ended up finishing fourth in DROY voting. With Allen likely to take another step in Year 2 -- not to mention the possibility of Yannick Ngakoue returning to the team if he has a change of heart about his future with the franchise -- there could be loads of opportunities for the ascending Chaisson to slither his way around one-on-one matchups with offenses paying attention to his more proven fellow pass rushers. In a division full of offenses that could be at least somewhat hit or miss, Chaisson has a chance to sneak up on people who aren't expecting him to be a hit in 2020.

7) CJ Henderson, CB, Jacksonville Jaguars

Yes, that's right. I'm doubling down on Jacksonville Jaguars. And this shouldn't come as a big surprise. After all, by the end of the pre-draft process this spring, I kept hearing from NFL executives who actually preferred Henderson over Okudah as the draft's CB1. Henderson ended up being selected six picks after Okudah was chosen third overall, but Henderson's combination of size, speed and fluidity are exceptional by NFL standards. Plus, he possesses decent ball skills despite failing to record an interception in his final season at Florida. It's rare for cornerbacks to win this award (only two have done so in the last 21 seasons), but Henderson has talent and a solid pass rush in front of him, which could help him see a higher percentage of rushed throws.

8) Derrick Brown, DT, Carolina Panthers

I know Brown doesn't play the sexiest position, but over the last decade, three interior linemen have won the DROY award (Aaron Donald, 2014; Sheldon Richardson, 2013; Ndamukong Suh, 2010). So, I don't see any reason to keep Brown off this list. He was one of my top-rated players in the 2020 draft thanks to his size, power and disruptive effort inside. While he plays a dominant brand of football, Brown doesn't generate consistent pocket pressure, which could ultimately keep him from rising to the top tier of contenders for this award.

TOP DARK-HORSE CANDIDATE

Jeff Gladney, CB, Minnesota Vikings: He's not the biggest or fastest rookie cornerback, but he might be the most consistently competitive on-the-ball defender in this draft. Gladney is twitchy and instinctive. He should get on the field right away for the cornerback-needy Vikings. He will take his lumps, to be sure, but look for Gladney to make more plays on the football than most rookie starters.

I hope SJD improves, I too just see him as another JAG. He allows the OL to get a hold of him too often. He needs more power in his legs and core, and needs to work on staying lower coming out of his stance.

Have you guys seen this movie? If you have a bit of free time it's pretty damn amazing to watch. The criminal organization, the corruption, the continuation of the cover ups. Anybody else know much or have experiences about this or any other things? Most if not all of the members on this board are older and have a lot more life experiences and knowledge than I have. ( especially those that remain open minded and continuously learning even in your older years).


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Any of you have any unique stories or experiences?! A ton of old school Ram stories about our organization or games I would never know about without some members here that google isn't going to tell you.

This one 1997... loaded with stars. HOF players. Lawrence Philips won a game ball from Stuart Scott.

If you got 30 seconds...

22:30... Randall Cunningham comes in, with punter injured... punts like a seasoned vet. Drops one inside the 10... no big deal. Unbelievable!

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OC--LeftCoast said:

I’m gonna give Jeff Fisher some credit here, he really changed culture on how the Rams not only handled draft class signings but also emphasizing the organizations role in local communities, he laid many a brick to the current foundation that’s the Rams culture

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Except the winning part.

Good Ole Wilbur Charles "Weeb" Ewbank is on there twice, good for Weeb, as I never though much of him, but I was very young when Weeb was finishing out his coaching career retiring in 1973.

Henry Lewis "Hank" Stram & Len Dawson were amazing, the dapper Stram & the cerebral Dawson made for some exciting times for the Kansas City Chiefs.

Don Shula & Bob Griese were far better then Shula & Dan Marino, Shula won two Super Bowls with Griese and still the only team to go undefeated in a season. With Marino they got to one Super Bowl and were humiliated by Bill Walsh & Joe Montana.

LoyalRam said:

I don't know about you bastids, but it don't get any better than Natty Ice Dark ~ @CGI_Ram

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Honestly...@$6.99 a 15 pack, been there done that

oh yeah, the cheapest of cheap bastids present and accounted for