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Loyal said:
What is rain? ~ South West
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You been getting rain out in Kansas Dorothy?

We had record fires this year in New Mexico and finally the monsoon season came! It’s decently green now..
 
Corbin said:
You been getting rain out in Kansas Dorothy?

We had record fires this year in New Mexico and finally the monsoon season came! It’s decently green now..
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Yeah, it's rained pretty well in Eastern Kansas all summer. Western Kansas on the otherhand....
 
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Seems many prefer flooding along the Mississippi River over sending a drop of water to the West, ... or did I get that wrong ?
 
Riverumbbq said:
Seems many prefer flooding along the Mississippi River over sending a drop of water to the West, ... or did I get that wrong ?
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I know your sensationalizing to be funny I think since the two really don't have anything to do with each other... or at least in the case of this latest flooding. But for the sake of the topic, I would love to build a line to the west and sell water from the Mississippi as long as 100% of the money goes into a pot to improve infrastructure along the entire river, as well as, creating and improving hydroelectric capabilities along the entire river to be used in the power grid. Which is easier said than done after politicians get their fingers into the project.
 
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Psycho_X said:
I know your sensationalizing to be funny I think since the two really don't have anything to do with each other... or at least in the case of this latest flooding. But for the sake of the topic, I would love to build a line to the west and sell water from the Mississippi as long as 100% of the money goes into a pot to improve infrastructure along the entire river, as well as, creating and improving hydroelectric capabilities along the entire river to be used in the power grid. Which is easier said than done after politicians get their fingers into the project.
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Every aspect of such a project carrying fresh water West has already been sensationalized, and anti-western state (U.S.) politics has been at the forefront while elected politicians sit on their hands. If Lake Powell & Lake Mead are allowed to go dry, it won't just be a water problem that actually affects the entire nation, it'll also eliminate all that cheap hydroelectric power from entering our national grid system from Hoover Dam.
I'm not sure there would be enough 'profits' to adequately ensure whatever infrastructure along the entire Mississippi could be addressed as the water pipeline west would likely only operate on a temporary basis in times of extreme draught, engineers have already made statements to the effect that it will take approximately 2 years to fill both lakes with a pipeline from the Mississippi, after that, Mother Nature and whatever the future Colorado snowpack delivers will determine water levels.
Either way, I'd be in favor of addressing Mississippi River infrastructure that would benefit both the River states and the West to accomplish their long-term goals. jmo.
 
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I will move this thread to off-topic, now.

I was reading this past weekend on the western lakes and drought. The Great Salt Lake in Utah has the same problem. Low water levels = less evaporation from the Salt Lake = less snow = less melt off = less water in the lake.

It all feeds itself.

There are concept projects in Utah to pump salt water from the Pacific all the way to Utah. Get more water in the lake, get more snow, rain, etc.
 
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Riverumbbq said:
Every aspect of such a project carrying fresh water West has already been sensationalized, and anti-western state (U.S.) politics has been at the forefront while elected politicians sit on their hands. If Lake Powell & Lake Mead are allowed to go dry, it won't just be a water problem that actually affects the entire nation, it'll also eliminate all that cheap hydroelectric power from entering our national grid system from Hoover Dam.
I'm not sure there would be enough 'profits' to adequately ensure whatever infrastructure along the entire Mississippi could be addressed as the water pipeline west would likely only operate on a temporary basis in times of extreme draught, engineers have already made statements to the effect that it will take approximately 2 years to fill both lakes with a pipeline from the Mississippi, after that, Mother Nature and whatever the future Colorado snowpack delivers will determine water levels.
Either way, I'd be in favor of addressing Mississippi River infrastructure that would benefit both the River states and the West to accomplish their long-term goals. jmo.
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Yeah, there's a lot of moving parts to it and my comment was mostly off the cuff. Smarter minds than mind could figure something out that would benefit everyone by doing it. Unfortunately the smartest minds rarely ever get to decide how to do anything in this country anymore. It is definitely a problem that needs to be addressed. I think anyone who isn't swayed by political BS can see this is a serious issue that doesn't effect JUST the people that get water from said lake(s)... if it gets to a point where people have to start abandoning areas in mass due to no water there will be repercussions across the entire country as people mass relocate at the very least.
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I will move this thread to off-topic, now.

I was reading this past weekend on the western lakes and drought. The Great Salt Lake in Utah has the same problem. Low water levels = less evaporation from the Salt Lake = less snow = less melt off = less water in the lake.

It all feeds itself.

There are concept projects in Utah to pump salt water from the Pacific all the way to Utah. Get more water in the lake, get more snow, rain, etc.
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That's interesting about the Salt Lake issue and possible solution that might help the whole area. Would certainly be easier to get water from the pacific not having to go over the biggest Rocky peaks. I'm not a marine biologist or aquaculture expert so in my ignorance I'd assume sea water and the Salt Lake would be compatible as far as salt levels go but sure there's ways to change those levels far easier than it is to create fresh water.
 
Psycho_X said:
Yeah, there's a lot of moving parts to it and my comment was mostly off the cuff. Smarter minds than mind could figure something out that would benefit everyone by doing it. Unfortunately the smartest minds rarely ever get to decide how to do anything in this country anymore. It is definitely a problem that needs to be addressed. I think anyone who isn't swayed by political BS can see this is a serious issue that doesn't effect JUST the people that get water from said lake(s)... if it gets to a point where people have to start abandoning areas in mass due to no water there will be repercussions across the entire country as people mass relocate at the very least.

That's interesting about the Salt Lake issue and possible solution that might help the whole area. Would certainly be easier to get water from the pacific not having to go over the biggest Rocky peaks. I'm not a marine biologist or aquaculture expert so in my ignorance I'd assume sea water and the Salt Lake would be compatible as far as salt levels go but sure there's ways to change those levels far easier than it is to create fresh water.
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Israel was mostly a desert, but they focused for years on desalination plants and now are an exporter of fresh water to other Middle East States. They have such an abundance of water that they have more than enough for everyone, including for farmers in Israel and are willing to share their technology/knowledge with others. Has California sent anyone there to figure out a plan?

Droughts in the SouthWest are nothing new, but it takes more diligence than one election cycle to get things going. It used to drive me insane when I lived near Sacramento and the big idea in SoCal was to divert Northern California water, south. Now that's off the table because they are in a drought too, from what I understand.
 
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Loyal said:
Israel was mostly a desert, but they focused for years on desalination plants and now are an exporter of fresh water to other Middle East States. They have such an abundance of water that they have more than enough for everyone, including for farmers in Israel and are willing to share their technology/knowledge with others. Has California sent anyone there to figure out a plan?

Droughts in the SouthWest are nothing new, but it takes more diligence than one election cycle to get things going. It used to drive me insane when I lived near Sacramento and the big idea in SoCal was to divert Northern California water, south. Now that's off the table because they are in a drought too, from what I understand.
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Less than half of Israel's water currently comes from desalination, they also have a total population closer to 9 million where California has approximately 40 million. Even with the most modern desalination technology, seawater desalination remains among the most expensive water supply option, and it also has its pitfalls with sensitive marine life being damaged. Still, desalination in California can provide a very small portion of fresh water to a thirsty state, although this does nothing for our struggling neighbors inland or in Arizona, Utah & Nevada. If California farmers relied on desalination, food costs nationwide would take a huge jump.
The Delta Tunnel Project would alleviate some pressure for a secure source of renewable water, but this in addition to a Pipeline from the Mississippi would go furthest to settle the problem permanently. jmo.
 
Well, it's raining like a motherfucker right now. I mean, I've got nothing against rain; I just want it to be less...well, flooding?
 
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